Seeing Faces in Everything: The Power of Pareidolia

Have you ever stared at a ceiling, cloud formation, or marble tile and suddenly spotted a face looking back at you? This isn't your imagination running wild—it's pareidolia, a fascinating psychological phenomenon where our brains find meaningful patterns in random stimuli.

In this mind-bending conversation, we explore how our pattern-recognition mechanisms work overtime to make sense of the world around us. We share personal stories of seeing faces and figures in everyday objects, from bathroom tiles to star constellations, uncovering how these perceptions can even inspire creative artwork. What's particularly fascinating is how differently each person perceives these patterns—what looks like a cartoon character to one might appear as an animal to another.

But our exploration doesn't stop there. We dive into a treasure trove of other psychological phenomena that shape our everyday experiences. Learn about confirmation bias, the placebo effect, and why you suddenly notice a particular car model everywhere after considering buying one. We examine how the "halo effect" leads us to assume celebrities are good people simply because they play likable characters, and why self-fulfilling prophecies can dramatically alter our life outcomes.

The conversation takes surprising turns into how ancient humans might have used pareidolia to map constellations and potentially even inspire architectural wonders like the pyramids. By the end, you'll never look at random patterns the same way again—and you might start questioning how much of what you "see" is actually there versus created by your remarkable, pattern-seeking brain.

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:10

Welcome to Comble Pro Fit and the Jersey Guy. I'm Lewis here with Kenny.

Speaker 2 0:15

Hello.

Speaker 3 0:16

And Jersey Guy Tom what's up, what's up, what's up, how you guys doing Good Exmalente.

Speaker 2 0:23

Pretty good, yeah, yeah. So hey, what's that face?

Speaker 3 0:24

How you guys doing Good Exmalente Pretty good, yeah, yeah. So hey, what's that face I see over there? Why are you saying that? For Because it's pareidolia. It's the topic of our show today.

Speaker 1 0:34

Oh, got him Very clever.

Speaker 3 0:36

Yeah, you like that right Wow. So go ahead, lou, you can tell what pareidolia is. You like that? That was good, bro, you came in front, I got you. Good, I did get him right. Pareidolia is a psychological you did that.

Speaker 2 0:47

That was a good step away, he threw me off.

Speaker 1 0:50

Threw me off. It's a psychological phenomenon where people see recognizable patterns, like faces, in random or vague stimuli such as clouds or textures. It's our brain's way of making sense of random patterns and identifying familiar shapes or objects.

Speaker 2 1:07

So it's not like when you say I see the same number everywhere. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 1:12

It's like when you look at marble right and the marble is really veiny, oh, the marble looks like a face Right, like a face here, yep, or the way it should be Automatically with me.

Speaker 1 1:20

I have it. Yeah, I see it in everything I see it in everything you know.

Speaker 2 1:23

I do that a lot too yeah.

Speaker 1 1:27

With like things, anything that's like a swirl, but it's cool as shit, though, because there's a lot of good stuff that you, when I lived in a this goes to the same thing.

Speaker 3 1:33

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:33

When I lived in Pine Bush, in our basement there was these patterns in the floor and I saw these faces that were there. That were there, so I drew them out with pencil and stuff.

Speaker 3 1:43

Did you?

Speaker 1 1:43

Oh, that's cool. Yeah, and it came out the way I thought it would look when I went it was fucking crazy, Bro.

Speaker 3 1:50

then you were living over the gate to hell because that's in. Pine Bush. And you know what Pine Bush is?

Speaker 1 1:55

Crazy people love it, Relax bro, it was just a pencil. There's no candles involved, no the people trying to get out.

Speaker 2 2:01

It's going to be like that movie, the Gate. Yeah, yeah, you'll be dead.

Speaker 3 2:07

That's crazy. I'm sorry, that's what my head went, but yeah. So then now did you see a lot of the faces after you drew them, Because you only drew what you saw, or whatever characters.

Speaker 1 2:17

I drew it how. I saw it on the pattern on the floor and how did it look when you drew it, it looked like what it was that I was trying to draw.

Speaker 3 2:24

Dude, because I'm always thinking about it, because of my bathroom it's marble tile walls, so then I'm standing Right, but then I don't see it when I get out of the shower. You know what I mean. So I'll see it now when I'm in the shower and I'm like oh snap, and I'll see it. I tried to draw it or trace it or whatever. I got like half a dozen of them already, see, because you see different ones all the time oh yeah, I see another one, just automatic.

Speaker 2 2:52

The house I grew up in. I had wallpaper in my room right.

Speaker 1 2:57

Right, you can create it. Create some good art from that. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 3:10

Finish it, but I removed the wallpaper and I don't, I don't think I didn't do a good job. I was like 18, 17 or 18.

Seeing Patterns in Everyday Objects

Speaker 1 3:12

I didn't do a good job and, like I, left some of the glue behind and I painted over I remember looking at like the glue marks and be like that kind of looks like a face that kind of yeah same thing, right?

Speaker 2 3:16

you ever look at the back of a car when you're driving.

Speaker 1 3:18

Sometimes it looks like, yeah, that's what it is you see the eyes, the nose, yeah right, when you look at vehicles or certain things, it's crazy like, yeah, my mind just does that immediately so I looked it up one day. I'm like, what does it mean? Like hashtag, gpt and, and you know, but that's not the only one.

Speaker 3 3:35

There is, though there's like so many different kinds yeah, now that I didn't get the meditation and prayer. So quieting your mind through meditation or prayer is said to create a space where guardian angels can. Oh, you're wrong. I got my other papers.

Speaker 1 3:51

Oh, my God Wow.

Speaker 3 3:56

Yeah, lou turned around and he did some Google searches yeah.

Speaker 1 4:01

I read the wrong paper I had for my other one. This is not Google at all. This is ChatGBT. Chatgbt I'm the Google paper I had for my other one. This is not. Google at all this is ChatGBT. Chatgbt, I'm sorry, my bad. Several interesting psychological phenomena you can explore. Here are a few Confirmation bias the tendency to search for, interpret and remember information that confirms one's pre-existing beliefs. I don't think we do that.

Speaker 2 4:24

No, we probably know people that do that Is this about pareidolia, yeah, or is it something different?

Speaker 1 4:30

Well, we can still talk about that. There's a number of them, so that was just one extra one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the pareidolia is cool, because do you do that at all? I mean, do you like? Have you ever tried to draw out what it is you've seen? No, when you, I never tried it. It's really crazy. Yeah, you got to get the traceable paper and all that or take the picture of it and blow it up somehow and then do it that way. Yeah, I've never done it I think it will come out the way you see it.

Speaker 1 4:53

The way it comes out is the way you see your mind is going to make it well see.

Speaker 3 4:57

So let's see what a crazy is. If you know, not literally, so boom. When you look at some of that stuff, though, tom, right Right, right, do you see most like cartoon characters? Do you see funny faces? Do you see animals? Do you see human faces?

Speaker 2 5:10

Yeah, all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 3 5:11

Yeah.

Speaker 2 5:12

Human faces, animal faces Sometimes.

Speaker 1 5:14

Yes, that's what I do, not just faces Cartoon characters, body.

Speaker 2 5:16

Sometimes bodies is not always a face.

Speaker 3 5:25

Oh, it could be, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't see human bodies, sometimes like stick figures, yeah, you know. So I don't see like human bodies. I see like, or shapes, um, I'll see a human face, but then I'll see like, um, like the whole animal body. I'll see uh, lions, duck or whatever, with the human face on it, like looking like I'm some cartoon crazy shit yeah, did they say anything else about this?

Speaker 2 5:42

patterns, recognizable patterns, oh see, also it's. It's not just faces, it's patterns, it's anything.

Speaker 1 5:47

Right, yeah, right. So, whatever your mind decides, I can tell you that right now, my mind sees something. I already have it in my head done. It's like automatically there it is. I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 3 6:01

Right, and now do you find the same ones. What do you find? The same ones? What do you mean? So you said that you know you're in the shower or you're sitting on the toilet or whatever.

Speaker 1 6:08

Oh yeah, I can still find the same ones. I can still find that same one but it's also shapes and objects, but it's more than one it says familiar shapes and objects to. It says of course it's sort of stored in our brain, it's not just faces it can be anything.

Speaker 3 6:24

It can be structures. That's what's stored in our brain it's not just faces.

Speaker 1 6:25

It can be anything. It can be structures, anything. That's what I'm saying. It's so crazy, you could be creative with it too. I read where it said people make art from it, when they can use art and make art from it so for me.

Speaker 2 6:37

I get that a lot with shapes and stuff.

Speaker 1 6:39

Yeah, all the time. I always see shapes, especially in like I can do it with shapes, I can do it with patterns, I can do it with, like you said, marble tile Boom right away. That's kind of like why I'm wired that way, right, that's why I actually enjoy abstract art. Yes.

Speaker 2 6:56

Because you see shit in it.

Speaker 1 6:57

You know what I mean. Right, that makes sense. You got to go to the Met, bro.

Speaker 2 7:00

But, not like where they just splattered paint and they're like this is art. I'm talking like that real crazy shit. You gotta go to the.

Speaker 3 7:09

Natural Museum.

Speaker 2 7:12

No no that's still the MoMA you mean.

Speaker 3 7:16

And the Met the.

Speaker 2 7:17

Met is great.

Speaker 3 7:19

We went to the Met. I was like yo and I didn't want to leave. Jessica was bored.

Speaker 2 7:23

She was like alright, I'm to go see the other pictures and the other drawings, and they usually have some weird stuff at the Guggenheim too. It's small, it's a tiny museum, but they have weird stuff. Have you been to Storm King oh?

Drawing What You See

Speaker 3 7:34

you don't even live on the site. You got to go to Storm King Art Center during the summer.

Speaker 1 7:46

It's warm out and you'll a lot of that. You know they have the. They make metal art, outdoor art. Who's to say that they didn't get it from seeing a shape?

Speaker 2 7:49

so I've been to lukenheim yes, but when I went there they had some weird exhibit you actually went there, huh yeah yeah they had some weird exhibit. It was uh, whatever exhibition they had, you know, it's like the one for like the few months. It was like stuff with tvs, like old tvs, and they were on and but they were on displays but the what was on the tv, kind of what worked with what the display was. It was weird. Right, that is awesome.

Speaker 1 8:11

That's more like working art stuff that's a little, yeah, but I guess whoever looks at it is the one who, if they see something from it yeah, they're picking it up you and I might look at and go yeah, it's kind of cool, yeah, well maybe like what the fuck.

Speaker 3 8:26

Yeah. Well, what about when they do those other things where they hang pieces of whatever off of the strings and as you walk around it it turns into a picture and different shapes and faces and stuff? Yeah, it's like as you walk around the art, you see different things. They set up how they have it hanging. That's how you walk around the art you see different things.

Speaker 1 8:45

they set up how they have it hanging and you see, you can use this to you. If you see something you get like I'm gonna draw that if you keep seeing it, if you see it in a pattern or something yeah and I see the same ones all the time. I got a bunch of them and I, yeah, you know, and I could even change the one or two of them to a different?

Speaker 3 9:02

yeah, because it's like a, it's like an m, like a picture of whatever inside of a picture it's weird it's in like you got to go bigger, you got to take a step back, bro, and you're like, oh, oh, look at, that, makes you notice your whole wall.

Speaker 2 9:17

You look at ferris bueller when they're all staring at the yes exactly, just like that.

Speaker 3 9:21

Yeah, we're gonna go hang on and look at some tile.

Speaker 1 9:23

It's been a long time since I've done that to go look at. I'd rather go to the museum.

Speaker 2 9:27

To be honest with you, oh, yeah, oh yeah, what I've never gone like to it up and then go oh to the museum.

Speaker 1 9:35

Yeah, you can do that that'll be a fun you gotta go to planetarium that'll be oh and do that.

Speaker 2 9:42

That would be bananas.

Speaker 1 9:46

Road trips, something like that Think of how cool you can learn that particular thing. The way you see things creates the art that your eye sees. That no one else's. Everybody has their own look, their own thing. They might be able to mimic it because after you did it, but they didn't see it first.

Speaker 2 10:03

You did, even just going as an adult now is going to be so much might be able to mimic it, because if you did it but they didn't see it first, you did. But even just going as an adult now is like that'd be so much different because I haven't been on any stuff. Go when you're as a kid, like you know what I mean as an adult.

Speaker 1 10:14

Maybe you can appreciate it more you know, I guess we probably would, yeah, like I've seen the art some art is beautiful. You know, some art you know like, okay, I don't get it, but hey, again I hold up.

Speaker 2 10:24

When I was, when I was, in college I went to the guggenheim and I it was, I I took like it like art appreciation or something like that. Like, oh, you got to go to like a museum. I was like what the hell, for part of the semester you gotta make me go to a museum and I gotta take a trip to the friggin city. So I went to the guggenheim. That's when I went. But uh, yeah, but I was still young, I still didn't appreciate art, right, I think now as an adult, yeah, that's what I think pretty much think about it.

Speaker 1 10:49

A lot of stuff you do, yeah, you know you. Definitely, when we get to the age we're at, you know.

Speaker 3 10:54

We said well, yeah, maybe not you so much, but that's right, so, but good, I'll just say so. My question okay, being as it's in anything. So back in the day, right when, uh, before electricity and people were, like you know, roaming the, the planet, planet surviving, when they looked up and they first started to write down the map, of the stars you mean map of the stars?

Speaker 3 11:19

yeah, so there are things that are in the stars, because without the light pollution you can really see the stars. So now think of how bright quote-unquote the stars were to these people. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 11:30

way back when, and that's how they made the constellation aren't there certain points on the planet where, if you go, you're going to be the closest? Yeah, you can see all of that right?

Speaker 3 11:38

I'm just saying but before us having that now, we had to go someplace like that. People could just be like who was standing here a million years ago, that was looking up and they saw the stars, how they made the pyramids. So then they saw the pyramids and the stars and that's where they just aimed it.

Speaker 1 11:57

To put it, down and make the pyramids. However they saw. It is the way they put it in. Yeah, they saw it.

Speaker 3 12:05

So then pareidolia is same idea. So maybe it's not. Oh, the constellations Exactly.

Speaker 2 12:13

Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 12:16

So then it's not that they said oh, it's a Ryan's belt.

Speaker 3 12:20

No, but it would change what it is that people believe Ryan. Yeah, no, but it would change what it is that people believe Orion. Yeah, like you know, it wasn't really that the aliens came down and you know there were the gods and whatnot. It was that you know, the priest or whomever in the town In line of the stars, looked up at the stars and saw the pyramids, and then just copied it and put it down and had it built.

Speaker 1 12:49

How it was built was another story, you know, but the idea that that's where he got it from you know, yeah, but they're all set up that way when they're all. They matched the three of them in a row. Boom, boom, boom. Yeah, and that's orion's belt.

Speaker 3 12:55

I think it's orion's belt, right? Yeah, yeah, so it's yeah, they knew what they were doing, but that they saw, you know.

Speaker 2 13:00

But uh, para paradolia is that, yeah, that's that they saw that they saw those things in the constellations because I don't see them paradolia yeah, I don't see it.

Speaker 3 13:11

Even when I'm looking in the book I do, I don't see the constellations I don't see what do you mean?

Speaker 1 13:16

like I don't see the bear in the cost oh, there's some I can and there's some I don't like, like I don't even get mine. You know I'm taurus, right? You know it's like okay, yeah, right, and I don't even get mine. I'm Taurus, right you?

Speaker 3 13:25

know it's like okay, yeah, and I don't see the whole book. Yeah, those ones are, yeah, yeah, but I don't see. I'm talking like the.

Speaker 2 13:29

Dipper, oh yeah, the.

Speaker 3 13:31

Dipper, okay, but the big Dipper Orion, I don't see Right Orion's back no. I don't.

Speaker 1 13:46

I mean, I don't see it. If I look up right now, I know I see some crazy stuff up, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 13:48

When it's a different certain time of the year and night, it's good when you, if you can, when you're like deep in the woods, what?

Speaker 3 13:51

yeah, I'm good, all right, no light pollution. Right, and then it looks.

Speaker 2 13:56

It is so crazy when you look at the sky at night when there is no light pollution. It's insane. It's incredible, right, right, oh yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 14:05

Yeah, I think of what your eyes could make out of that just by looking at whatever it's seeing in the sky at that time, the patterns and everything.

Speaker 3 14:14

I wasn't so scared of the woods I go.

Speaker 1 14:16

Things popping off in your head.

Speaker 3 14:18

Yeah, you know, I would love to go and see that I'd be. You know, enclosed glass ceiling or whatever I'm sorry. I'm not doing. I'm not doing. You know, yeah, man, yeah, but yeah, that that would be that's part. That might be where you know well how people saw. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all those constellations waking with their gods and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 14:37

I think too, because when you do look at night without any light pollution, like there's certain ones that like there's certain stars that like really shine compared to the rest of them. So it's easy to it. It looks more like it when you're looking at you know you can see more of like. You see that like like a figure or whatever out of it like but like you ever get it right, it looks like a stick figure, but I think people go. Well, it looks like a person because it's a stick figure, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 15:06

Well, it was like back in the day Well, not that far, but like you know, was it 25, 30 years ago where the people went bananas because there was a piece of toast that had like the Virgin Mary on it.

Speaker 2 15:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't see that they saw that right.

Speaker 1 15:21

So, again.

Speaker 3 15:22

They saw it. Did he draw it out? No, the toast was right there, so you do it yourself. Do you see it? What they did was every picture after that is that they highlighted what that thing was they showed the original.

Speaker 1 15:37

She had to point it out to you for you to see it.

Speaker 3 15:39

No, no, no it was on TV, it was on the news and everything, what they showed the original and then they did that highlight over it. You look at what they showed the original and then they did like that highlight over it, so you could see what everybody was saying. You could see that there was an image in the toast. You know what I'm saying when I say it was the Virgin Mary.

Speaker 1 15:54

it was a lady and you know somebody would have heard of her. She obviously saw it, I mean, but did way though, or was it something that she had, like you know?

Speaker 3 16:02

oh, no, no, no, she told you something she was a, you know, a church-going woman, okay, you know. And, um, she had made some toast and she had put it down and was doing some other stuff. I believe that's how the story went and that when she turned around, she's like, oh my god, oh my god, it's the virgin mary, and it looks like the virgin mary, and boom, there was a building. I remember too where there was. Uh, somebody saw, um, jesus's face in the way that the, the way it kind of like the window was, uh, the condensation on it and it looked like jesus's face.

Speaker 1 16:34

It was in a skyscraper.

Speaker 3 16:35

Yeah, that's how his mind perceived it.

Speaker 1 16:37

Yep, and they took the window out and I bet you, if you show it right, if you show it to you and you see it, yeah, once they show you like all right, maybe, sometimes, maybe, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't what about those images where you see two things but depending if you're left brain or right brain thinking.

Speaker 3 16:54

Where you see the ugly woman old woman or a very pretty girl, like a very pretty woman and then there's a very old looking woman, or what about that famous dress? What color is the dress? Is it?

Speaker 1 17:06

green or purple Right, and it means something right, yeah, whatever side of your brain was running or whatever.

Speaker 2 17:11

Yeah, right side thing, what about that other?

Speaker 1 17:14

thing where you're sitting if it's not moving.

Speaker 3 17:16

It's like some crazy 3D thing, or if it is it means your mind is you know something's going on right now the psych, not psycho, the like that spinning wheel, right, that's what you see. Yeah, listen, you could find any. I mean, like we said, we could look in almost anything. You know, looking here around the room, you know, if I stand back a certain way, I could see the on the name the neighborhoods park slope right there down to you right. And like I could see the on the name the neighborhoods park slope right there down to you right, and like I could see the different things in all of it. I could look in the city stuff, you know, at work, at one of the machines that I work on. I was telling lewis that there's powder on that back window. Now I got the machine moving so I'm gonna have to show you on monday and you could see there's just one big thing of powder on this plexiglass static and you see, like I see like three different faces on there All looking back at me.

Speaker 1 18:13

Wow, three faces, not one.

Speaker 3 18:15

Yeah, but it's because of how I'm standing that it looks like you know one face, this face and another face, depending on where I'm standing over there. It's like what?

Speaker 1 18:28

So now I don't even want to look at it, because I'm trying to think of what I did last week, and every time I try to remember to do it, I forget about it. Like I'll be looking at, like you said you're already in the bathroom and then when you're out you forget about it. Right, there's a damn I gotta trace that.

Speaker 3 18:37

yeah, I wonder too of when you see, when people see these things Us, if it's depending on the mood that we're in, what our mental state is at that moment, if that determines on what we see oh, probably, you know.

Speaker 2 18:54

I mean, isn't that like the? What's that test? They call the inkblot test? What's the name of our road? Shack, right, what do you see? Yeah, what do you see that one.

Speaker 1 19:02

They must have had a field day with me, because I'm sure I remember taking them.

Speaker 3 19:06

Really, you took oh yeah, I don't think I've ever taken one.

Speaker 1 19:09

Um, I did, I did, I took them. Yeah, um, and I remember and I saw all kinds of shit in them.

Speaker 3 19:15

I'm'm sure, absolutely, if you showed them to me now, I'd probably be like oh, I see this, I see that, yeah, I mean like the famous one that they show on TV and stuff is the butterfly, and you know that's just an ink blot Right, like that's a caterpillar, you know so.

Speaker 1 19:29

I mean, they show you an ink thing, right.

Speaker 3 19:46

And then show you an ink thing we write, and then you know, right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, so it looks like you know exactly. Now, when you see these things, though, and have you, because I'm gonna say for me, I've seen it somewhere else, so I'll see something in, like I said, in my shower on the wall, and then I've been somewhere else and I see it live, right. So, whether it's like a face or or a house, uh, you know, whatever structure, I've seen that in the. So my pareidolia is bugging me out, because that's shit that I've seen in real life.

Speaker 1 20:13

Yeah, it's some of the things I can't even describe that. I see, you know, it's just me. It's pretty crazy. You know what I mean? Um, but I thought I was like, oh, what does this mean? And I looked it up and like, oh, that's cool. And then I was like, are there other things that people have that we don't know about? That would be in category or something like that. Okay, you know. So it's not necessarily the same thing in that, but it falls under the same genre okay, I'm listening I mean the same thing in that, but it falls under the same genre.

Speaker 1 20:39

Okay, I'm listening. I mean so, uh, there are several interesting psychological phenomena you can explore. Here are a few, so that's not the only one. Okay, and earlier I mentioned confirmation bias the tendency to search for or interpret or remember information that confirms one pre-existing beliefs, or cognitive dissonance the mental discomfort experienced by a person who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas or values affect well, we talk about that a lot in animal rights okay I'm not gonna say anything.

Speaker 2 21:10

Well it's like you know the cognitive dissonance that's like uh, that's like you know, like when someone's like says one thing like oh, you know the cognitive dissonance, that's like you know. Like when someone says one thing like oh, you know, like I care about this, but then they do something you know. Well, listen, yeah.

Speaker 3 21:23

I'm all for, you know, not cheating animals like crazy, but you know, I don't mind a hamburger.

Speaker 2 21:27

That's a phrase that, like I, heard so many times in the vegan community. It's like cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance, but yeah, it's a popular phrase.

Speaker 3 21:35

That's funny. Yeah, that makes I mean. That's why I didn't think about that.

Speaker 2 21:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just hear it a lot.

Speaker 3 21:41

But yeah, Okay, Lou, what was the other one? The next one? The placebo effect.

The Placebo Effect and Power of Suggestion

Speaker 1 21:45

Oh yes, when people experience effect, right, yep, yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. Yes, isn't that crazy how that happens. That's like a real thing trick the body get better from you. Don't know what's in that pill from thinking that it's gonna get them better right, and that's where that bullshit shot that you're getting if you have vitamin b shot and you have no idea that you're fucking yeah and you still wear a hairpiece Right, he goes, I got you, bro, I got you, I got you, you're right, some people get that.

Speaker 1 22:22

That's so messed up, man. Some people get that with vitamins too. I feel so much better.

Speaker 2 22:27

I took a vitamin.

Speaker 3 22:28

But that's not how vitamins work.

Speaker 1 22:29

That'll make you feel better, right away it's like maintaining blood levels Right, right, exactly levels, right. You know that right exactly.

Speaker 3 22:34

Yeah, it's crazy because you think about you. Know how many times your parents gave you something? Yeah, you know, and like no, no, no, here, here is you. Take this, you're gonna feel 100 better. You know that I mean, that's the form of time, sometimes you did right, and that's a form of hypnotism it's just saying to you.

Speaker 1 22:51

They already planted that into your head and if you believe your parents, why wouldn't I believe my mother?

Speaker 3 22:56

yeah, right, meanwhile she just gave you a grape. You know, I'm saying like she just oh, she just gave you a piece of candy.

Speaker 1 23:02

Yeah, I promise you, as soon as you leave, you'll feel as right as but you know it's.

Speaker 3 23:10

And so that, again, if we think about the people you know that were here a million years ago, they're looking at the stars, you know. Know, in their own ways, you know, because they had the witch doctor, the person that you know, the person who took care of the health of people. Which doctor? Well, I'm just saying which, I don't know. All right, you know, and they were telling people here this is going to make your belly feel better, this is going to make your headache go away. You know, gonna make your belly feel better. This is gonna make your headache go away. You know, this is what you're gonna do the meditation.

Speaker 1 23:40

You know what I mean, right? Well, think about all the stuff that you know that they're finding now that actually works. That you know instead of you know that's actually natural and does work, and it does help in getting more people on that, which is really good yeah, and, like I said, I think to me too, not everything I you know for certain things that it's, it's a type of form of hypnotism.

Speaker 3 24:00

Oh yeah, when they plant that in your brain.

Speaker 1 24:01

you know your parents know they say that to you. I remember one time I was somewhere and that was my aunt, my aunt Hilda, my aunt Hilda. I had an aunt Hilda, that's great and she said we were at her house and she said close your eyes, we're going to bed. Close your eyes, breathe through your nose and out your mouth and just keep doing that and focus on your breathing. I was dead to the world. Yeah, you know she planted that into your head, right, we did it. You just you were out, right Cold. So I think it's power of suggestion maybe in a sense.

Speaker 2 24:40

Yeah, in a sense.

Speaker 1 24:41

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 24:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1 24:42

That's not anything magical or anything like that. It's just another way to get you, to motivate you. I'm sure that athletes do that. I'm sure, right there has to be-. Vision to win. See the win Right.

Speaker 3 24:58

I see the wind right. I'm sure that you know. Yeah, it makes sense. It's everything, you know, it's anything. Those who can do it better than others, you know, are living differently. You know everybody's living different, you know.

Speaker 1 25:06

I'm saying yeah, if you're able to, to be autistic with it, right yeah in some way and it helps you, like if you see something and some kind of pattern or something and you think you know. However, you think people will be you know, amazed by it.

Speaker 3 25:21

Then hey man, you should do it whatever it is, yeah dude listen and however you see it, yeah, because I don't have that kind of vision. I'm not artsy, you know.

Speaker 1 25:28

I tried, I sat and I thought about and I tried to draw and I just can't draw worth the shit, yeah, not, not that I I mind, but if I see something, if I could trace it, I'm sure I can get it to look to where I need it to be.

Speaker 3 25:42

No, my tracing sucks. Those motor skills for me are just Nah man. Yeah, no, but I could put a machine together, I could fix it. I'm sure you could if it was blown up enough where you didn't have to deal with minute stuff, where, if it was blown up, you would be able to do it and just do it section by section, Then you wouldn't have to worry about working so hard. That's yeah. But yeah, man, I mean different things. People see. Some of it goes into what has made religion, I feel.

Speaker 1 26:15

We were just on the halo effect too, though. Yeah, not after when I was coming.

Speaker 3 26:17

I'm sorry keeping this thing you know that was going to the place I'm sorry, I apologize the placebo. I was just sorry I went way out there for the placebo because I was just thinking about what it is that people you know when we say, uh, what they see, how they feel you know with the things in the.

The Halo Effect and Celebrity Perception

Speaker 1 26:36

Oh my God, I forgot the name of the thing Remember the placebo. Remember the episode.

Speaker 3 26:43

I think, when I think about the placebo effect, I think about the MASH episode where they ran out of I think it was morphine or something like that.

Speaker 1 26:50

They had to give these guys pills and they were just sugar pills, that's all they were, and it actually well, of course it was TV, but I think they went off a lot of real stuff that happened during the time that it was able to get a lot of them to believe that it was and they weren't in pain, and some still were, and you couldn't really do anything for them. It wasn't helping.

Speaker 1 27:10

Those were a little bit more tragic but they said it, you know and I know in real life they do tests like that. They have the placebo. You don't know if you're getting the placebo. I think it's like a blind test. Is that the correct interpretation of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah so you don't know what you're getting in the sense of where you can make some kind of judgment call yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 3 27:35

I'm sorry I interrupted the halo effect no no yeah, no, go ahead. Um, so the halo effect, the tendency for an impression created one area to influence opinion in other areas, uh, such as assuming a good-looking person is also good in other ways.

Speaker 2 27:51

Right, this happens a lot with celebrities. Yeah, yeah, we think. Well, they're good at movies, so they're a good person, right? Which is not the case, or they're good at sports, so they're a good person. Yeah. And that's why people that halo effect. That's definitely, we see it all the time?

Speaker 1 28:07

It definitely is yeah, oh yeah, we're seeing that a lot Especially and it's funny because that gets when that gets shattered right away, when they meet someone and they realize, yeah right, never meet your heroes right, and you know the ones, they say, the ones that play the bad people are the nicest, are the nicest people.

Speaker 2 28:26

Isn't that funny? Yeah, oh yeah. The the the uh actor who played king joffrey is like supposed to be like right, this kid in the world right, and in fact he I know I don't, did he? I don't know, but I remember seeing an interview and he was like he was just so funny. He's like who hates me? He goes.

Speaker 3 28:39

I don't know, it's just a part I'm playing right right, that's messed up, yeah, but you're right, I mean he and that's even with people that we see, right, you know, not just celebrities, but you know he's like. Yeah, no, he looks like he might be. But see, I think that those of us that are have been around a little bit longer now we know we see somebody pretty, we're like I don't trust him I gotta meet him.

Speaker 1 29:04

Everybody wants to look good, of course you know, and with with social media and everything like that so everybody's working extra hard to do it.

Speaker 3 29:11

That's I guess.

Speaker 2 29:11

So don't trust anybody I know it's like general knowledge now, but I know the one that trips everybody up is like Chubby Chase, you know. Yeah, he's like but now I think that's a common knowledge now, but a lot of people back in the day didn't know Like yeah, he was a son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 29:24

That's with her, we're not sure, but that's the scuttlebutt Right.

Speaker 3 29:38

Yeah, though I mean because you're like wow, why you?

Speaker 1 29:39

know, but I guess, whatever, that's a whole other subject, but it's a good one actually. Yeah, it is, but um, the halo effect. That's pretty wild how people they automatically and then of course everything is shattered when they realize no, this person's not what I thought they were at all, but it's funny how we give people passes.

Speaker 2 29:53

It's like, oh, it's all right. You know, like I know, isn't it amazing? Allegations and stuff like the movements and stuff that people be like. Oh no, no, yeah, he's a good guy. Like how the hell do you know?

Speaker 1 30:07

you just know his face. Yeah, yeah, no, my, my whole thing, I my whole thing.

Speaker 3 30:12

I've always said, you know, nah, I don't believe that, but I get it. I do that because it's more of a vibe for me. You know, what I'm saying Not just in the movie, just in. You know other things and you know, show me the whole video. But that's another story, you know but no, you're right, we all.

Speaker 1 30:37

someone's a good person just because Not necessarily, I mean, I do it sometimes you can tell if a pretty girl or someone who's pretty or someone whoever is very good looking. It doesn't have to be a woman necessarily, but they're dicks. You can just feel it. It comes off of them.

Speaker 3 30:50

Think of how many times you've held. They look good, but they're douchebags. Think how many times you've held the door open for somebody who you would have considered attractive and they don't say thank you when you hold the door open.

Speaker 1 30:59

Oh yeah, I always say you're welcome.

Speaker 3 31:01

Yeah, right, but you held the door open for the better looking person because you?

Speaker 1 31:07

thought that they were going to be the nicest, but I hold the door If I'm close enough and I can get to the door.

Speaker 2 31:10

I hold the door.

Speaker 1 31:11

I'm just using this.

Speaker 3 31:11

I see what you're saying, though I totally agree you would wait an extra 15 steps for that good-looking person that's walking toward the store. But if it was somebody's butt-ass ugly, you're going to make it like you didn't really see them and you're going to jump back in the same distance.

Speaker 1 31:27

Well, I don't know if that's true, that's probably something you would do. What Me? That's messed up, man.

Speaker 3 31:32

Never.

Speaker 1 31:34

You know, Tom was like, put me in your shenanigans. All right, pal, all right, what's the next one? So I mean, I don't have that, though I think I did when I was younger, though the halo effect, more so because that time that your life, you know you're growing up with certain pop idols, things like that Right right, so you would assume that they're really good people and you find out later.

Speaker 1 31:56

No fucking yeah, no, yeah, you know, like you know the person is. You watch a show and you know that, but as soon as you watch it, you forget it because of the character they're in, so you never even think about it. Right, think about it when you watch. Um, what do you call um christmas vacation?

Speaker 2 32:15

and yeah, I mean, come on, you wait, plus you also associate. That's a problem we have too, and I I'm sure that's another thing, that that's not.

More Mind Tricks and Biases

Speaker 1 32:23

I mean it's not on the sheet, but like there's probably another one I have more on the other sheet but there was there where, like you assume, like the person is the character they're right exactly, and that's where you make the wrong assumption right away that this is just somebody that they play period. End of discussion.

Speaker 2 32:40

I am whatever the actor's name is, I'm not the character.

Speaker 1 32:43

Right, right, but people do that. Yeah, unfortunately they do, I know you. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 32:49

It's like no, you know the character, not me.

Speaker 1 32:59

Well, what's this one here? The spotlight effect, the tendency to overestimate how much others?

Speaker 3 33:02

noticed and evaluate our appearance and behavior.

Speaker 1 33:04

Okay, I'd probably say I was a victim of that, probably when I was younger. What the spotlight effect Feeling like people were looking at me or judging me kind of thing, weird thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know like, oh, am I wearing the right thing?

Speaker 3 33:17

Or do I look all right, or you know.

Speaker 1 33:19

Yeah, when you're younger you know it's different. When you're older you're like I don't give a shit. Well, I mean you still do. I mean, I care how I look, of course.

Speaker 2 33:40

But now people don't, they're just just doing their thing. Yeah, yeah, but I think it's because there's something about everybody yeah that somebody else likes, right, so you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 33:53

so, like you know, somebody's walking past the three of us and they're going to see you because they like your glasses, that's true. And then that draws them to look at your face and then they notice you and they're like, hey, that's a good looking guy. Some people, people watch too yeah. Yeah, Make funnies, you know. Other people turn around. They see the three of us walking. They look at Lou and they're like Mr Tucci. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 34:15

Right, you know.

Speaker 3 34:18

You know, it's the mind is so powerful, you know, and we're all different, so it's going to do it.

Speaker 1 34:28

And that's what makes it even crazier. And then when you put together, like, how many people do this thing?

Speaker 1 34:33

Or that kind of or have this happening or whatever it's interesting you know that kind of have this happening or whatever it's interesting you know. And how does that help with like your like? For instance, I like um, on the ambient noise, right, I could fall asleep to a whale song, right, right, which I think is perfectly unbelievable, for For me I could do it, as long as it's slow and not too loud. It's just got to be where you want it. Okay, tanya thinks I'm crazy. She goes. It sounds horrible, she's dying.

Speaker 2 35:08

So that's again to that too, but for me I can do that, but to reach his own.

Speaker 3 35:12

You know what I mean, Right.

Speaker 2 35:14

Yeah, same, like I said, like I need constant noise, like rain, even rain sometimes. If it's not, if there's a gap in the track, oh, I won't be able. It's got a bit. Are you really serious? Because?

Speaker 1 35:25

I'll hear the gap. I'll hear. You know what I mean. You'll know where it is right.

Speaker 2 35:28

You'll know where it is I used to have a white noise machine and they I had the uh or it was air conditioner. It was cold, so it sounded like an air conditioner, like an old school I should go one and uh oh, she was me I heard a gap, but it would be like every but.

Speaker 3 35:46

It would be every five, right right, every three or I would hear it.

Speaker 1 35:53

That's great and it would trip me, trip me up.

Speaker 2 35:56

I wouldn't be able to sleep with it what?

Speaker 3 35:57

Yeah, that is hilarious. I got more Yo, that's great.

Speaker 1 36:01

Okay, go ahead. Let's see Bader-Meinhof phenomenon. Have you heard of that?

Speaker 2 36:05

No.

Speaker 1 36:06

Frequency illusion After learning about something new, you suddenly start noticing it everywhere.

Speaker 2 36:11

Oh yeah, Well, that thing like when you when you're like thinking about buying a car. Yes, you always, you see that car everywhere, but it's not that you don't see that car where you just notice that car because you're looking to get, it like overshadowing, because you're paying attention.

Speaker 1 36:24

Yeah, holy shit, this is my car yeah another guy got

Speaker 2 36:26

it because I remember, like my one of my buddies was when the rj cruiser first came out. The rj uh huh. Yeah, he was thinking about getting one and like as I'm driving'm driving with him.

Speaker 3 36:35

He's like look an RJ.

Speaker 2 36:36

Cruiser. Look, there's another.

Speaker 3 36:37

RJ Cruiser. I'm like I've never even seen this car anywhere, but I probably have Now, all of a sudden. Now you see it all the time, now I see it all over the place, right, yep, or even your own car.

Speaker 1 36:48

Like you don't see anybody driving your particular car. When I had the Subaru and I didn't pay attention possibly, but not anything I can remember With the Supra, the blue one, yeah, yeah, all the time I would see the same car, my car I didn't even see that often around and then you started driving the same make, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 37:06

And I was like oh shit, and I didn't realize it.

Speaker 2 37:10

And then all of a sudden now I'm seeing them everywhere, right, yeah, no, I like that one. That is a good one when you learn about something new, you see it everywhere.

Speaker 3 37:16

That's great.

Speaker 1 37:17

The next one. This is interesting Chined, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 37:20

change blindness, failing to notice change in a visual scene when the change happens gradually or during a brief visual disruption. How small, you know, I know you didn't say that because you just read that, because it seems like if something is like fading, changing up, morphing, failing to notice the change, in other words, they continue seeing the same thing, I guess. I don't know, I've never had that. I thought that was a good one. I'm sorry that's wild.

Speaker 1 37:48

How about false consensus effect, the tendency to overestimate how much?

Speaker 3 37:57

others share your opinions and or behaviors, behaviors. So now would that be when you're discussing your opinions. You know when you're having your moment, so I know if I say, oh yeah, so aliens are this and the third and they came from here, and then you're like, no, I don't think so and he's saying something different, that's well, it's like you're assuming that other people think the same way you do is basically what you're saying yeah Right, which is not the case.

Speaker 1 38:20

We may agree on some things, but it doesn't necessarily. You know, it depends on the whole thing. It's like okay, next thing that happens with a lot of people, yeah, how about.

Speaker 3 38:28

Right now right. I'm not saying.

Speaker 1 38:31

I'm not talking political on one side tend to do that and assume that you're with their political right, exactly, they do all the time. Yeah, it's, it's. Yeah, okay, hindsight bias, oh, but I knew it all along effect, where people see past events as more predictable than they were yeah, I like doing that.

Speaker 3 38:54

I find messing with people with that like I told you good one I told you this?

Speaker 3 38:59

is this. Well, that's what we were talking about one time, you and I, because a lot of the things that we see happening in the world now you know the type, the topics are things that happened in the past. You know to some extent. You know the, the protesting the clothes. Yeah, you know some of the music like it's like oh, I told you I was gonna come up with another one like that. You know the, the protesting the clothes. Yeah, you know some of the music like it's like oh, I told you I was gonna come up with another one like that. You know what's happening. Yeah, definitely music. I like the music one, though, because in tv shows, yeah, there's a couple of good ones too here's another one priming, uh, priming.

Speaker 1 39:34

Exposure to one stimuli influences a person's response to another, often subconsciously oh, I can't say this word Subconsciously, excuse me, I got it Subconsciously. Seeing words related to old age makes people walk slower. Never heard that.

Speaker 2 39:55

Is that an example?

Speaker 1 39:55

Of course I butchered it before I butchered it. Priming exposure to one stimulus influences a person's response to another. Yeah, yeah, slower, never heard. That. Is that an example? Because I butchered it before I butchered it primary exposure to one stimulus influences a person's response to another. Yeah, yeah, often, subconsciously, seeing words related to old age makes people walk slower. That's weird, yeah, so you?

Speaker 3 40:11

you say something and then it makes me feel like oh my god oh, so they get again.

Speaker 1 40:16

They plant the seed in your, in your brain. Yeah, it's crazy, right? Yeah? Some psychological yeah, it's weird, weird stuff, it is weird.

Speaker 3 40:24

I'm sorry about it you know, like I always tell my doctor he's like bro, you jinked me. After 50 everything started to hurt like for real for me, you know, I mean it does hurt, but it's still like, you know, like shit. He's the one who put it in my head and now it feels like it's now because of what you just read. Right, sure it happens that makes sense.

Speaker 1 40:42

This one, we know go ahead. Self-fulfilling prophecy, oh yes, when a belief or exception influences behavior in a way that causes it to become true see that a lot yeah that I do believe in that in a sense. If you harp on it, I guess for too long and beat it you kind of bring it on to yourself I think and I'm sure we've all in our lives at some point did that and had to go through the whole motions.

Speaker 2 41:09

You start a new job and I don't know if people at my job like me and then like no one likes me at my job and then you start getting nasty towards everybody, and now nobody fucking likes you.

Speaker 3 41:19

Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 41:20

Like you set yourself up, you do like that kind of thing or yeah yeah, that's like a self-fulfilling prophecy that's really weird or like I'm gonna go broke. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 41:33

Ah, screw it anyway, I'm going broke anyway you spend all your money and now you're broke. Yeah, you're really broke. Now you're basically broke. This poor attitude is what it is. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 41:41

That's funny.

Speaker 1 41:42

Social loafing. Hmm, people exert less effort when working in a group compared to when working alone. Well, that makes sense. Wouldn't that be called teamwork?

Speaker 3 41:53

That's what I was gonna say. Yeah, it's teamwork. No, or lack thereof that.

Speaker 1 41:56

That one's a weird one, uh, negative bias the tendency to give more weight to the negative experiences than the positive. Well, we know that right, it's like the.

Speaker 2 42:05

We already, we already know that. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, it's just the half half is yeah half empty the last half empty person.

Self-Fulfilling Prophecies and Social Effects

Speaker 1 42:12

Yeah, you know, just like it's crazy, bro the mind how we think it's amazing, it's wild, but that's just that's just an idea, the thing that you know like that, just that particular subject and all the other ones that come along with it you know, okay, mind is pretty freaking complicated, yeah, you know. Yeah got all this shit flowing through. Hang out, we're not done, we got more more exposure effect the more More exposure effect.

Speaker 1 42:38

The more you're exposed to something, the more you tend to like it, even if you had no strong opinion at first. Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Okay, here's the example Music is one.

Speaker 2 42:49

Yeah, you know you hear the song you don't like on the radio but they just keep playing it over and over.

Speaker 1 42:54

You wind up singing it anyway, you, but they just keep playing it over and over you wind up singing it anyway, You're like you know what I like that song.

Speaker 3 42:57

It's not too bad, but they do that on purpose. That's their marketing. Yes, that's the marketing.

Speaker 2 43:01

They just pound it into your head Because they know that, that psychological effect, what is it called, liam?

Speaker 1 43:08

I'm sorry, excuse me Glasses.

Speaker 2 43:10

I'm sorry you don't. Don't use the glasses.

Speaker 1 43:13

Mirror exposure effect.

Speaker 2 43:15

Mirror exposure.

Speaker 1 43:16

M-E-R-E.

Speaker 2 43:19

I knew it existed, but I didn't know the name of it. The more you're exposed, to something, the more you tend to like it.

Speaker 3 43:22

Yeah, I believe that, so that was a good one. Then to end on, you got one more. You got one more like a I don't have one more.

Speaker 1 43:28

Do you think of one off the top of your?

Speaker 3 43:29

head no, no. That's a good one to end on, and then the funny we have to change. So what was supposed to be the topic I guess we're going to say was para who?

Speaker 1 43:39

Well, no, well, it just yeah, it was just so this episode is More on.

Speaker 3 43:44

My mind's playing tricks on me.

Speaker 1 43:45

No, it's just.

Speaker 3 43:48

Yeah.

Speaker 1 43:49

It's psychological phenomenon. These are certain psychological phenomenon that we spoke about. That was just one of them, because I tend to do that one, or Delia, right. But then I said, okay, well, what are other ones? And that's when I looked on ChatGPT and then it gave me a list of them. I'm like, wow, okay, check it out, I didn't know about this one. Yeah, I knew that one, right, I probably did this one.

Speaker 3 44:19

You just kind of go through the motions when you're looking at them. Yeah, I thought it was interesting, because I just try to keep going deeper into it, like what else can I get out of it happens, see, so that's your, uh, that's your. What was the, I think, your meditation?

Speaker 1 44:27

yeah, it could be, that's your sure don't doubt about it, you start thinking about it.

Speaker 3 44:31

Youtube, you do that too. You start. You get that one thing.

Speaker 2 44:33

It's like knock just run with it, knock it out, yeah, get it yeah hyper focus that's a good word for that hyper focus.

Speaker 1 44:40

So so, that being said, my friends love peace and hair grease. Live long and prosper and go vegan.