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The Transplant Mystery: How Donor Organs Change Recipients
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Have you ever wondered if our organs hold more than just biological function? Could your heart carry memories, your liver harbor personality traits, or your kidneys retain emotional tendencies?
The Jersey Guy Podcast tackles one of the most fascinating medical mysteries of our time: cellular memory in organ transplants. Through engaging conversation, the hosts examine numerous documented cases where transplant recipients experienced dramatic and unexplained changes following their surgeries. From Claire Sylvia suddenly craving chicken nuggets and beer after receiving a heart from a teenage boy, to an eight-year-old girl having nightmares that led to solving her donor's murder, these stories challenge our understanding of consciousness and identity.
The episodes delves into various perspectives on this phenomenon, exploring Eastern spiritual traditions that associate organs with specific emotions and energies. While mainstream science remains skeptical—attributing such experiences to psychological factors, medication effects, or confirmation bias—the consistency and specificity of these stories raise profound questions about what makes us who we are.
Beyond the medical implications, this discussion opens up philosophical territory about human interconnectedness. If memories and traits can transfer through physical organs, what does this suggest about the nature of consciousness? Are we, as the hosts suggest, all connected like "space dust," linked in ways science hasn't fully recognized?
Whether you're fascinated by medical oddities, spiritual connections, or the frontiers of consciousness research, this thought-provoking episode will leave you questioning the boundaries between individuals and wondering what unexpected traits you might inherit if you ever received someone else's organ. Subscribe now and join the conversation about one of modern medicine's most persistent mysteries.
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Episode Introduction
Speaker 1Jersey Guy Podcast. What's going on, gentlemen?
Speaker 2Hello, we're doing good. You know it's a good night. We had cool. We're having a good time, as always. You know, we had a good laugh right before we Started the episode.
Speaker 3Yeah, that was funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, excuse me, excuse me, sorry about that. That's good stuff. Yo, that is too funny, man, we had a good laugh right before we started the episode. Yeah, yeah excuse me, excuse me, sorry about that. That's good stuff. Yo, that is too funny, man. Oh yeah, that's good. I'm still in good moods. It's good spirits, because this is some craziness now. Yeah, like some bugged out crazy.
Speaker 1I thought you guys would like this topic because it was. I found it interesting to say the least right Interesting to say the least Right that a person would get experiences or start taking up different hobbies or something to that effect, because they received somebody's organ, whatever it might be.
Speaker 2So the episode today is about, just to make sure we know the theory that if you got someone else's organ donated to you, that you would get their memories memories and like traits and things about yeah, yeah, right, certain that they like.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's wild, yeah, that's wild, that's straight out of science fiction.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Cellular Memory Theory Explained
Speaker 3You know what I mean, like that stuff that you've only, we've only heard on TV movies or you know, just stories, books or whatever. So that's just even thinking about it and, like I was telling you guys before, I didn't even think about asking my sister or my, my dad, because my sister donated a kidney to to him, right, and so that then I'm wondering if he, you know, if, if he did anything or had anything that he felt changed, because so he had a liver transplant, right, and he's had a kidney transplant, so of course the liver was, you know, was a different kind of donation, and then the kidney from my sister. So I never even thought to ask him if he even had any thoughts or feelings or anything different. He felt different when he'd received, yeah, like afterwards, how did he feel when he had, with thought to ask him if he even had any thoughts or feelings or anything different.
Speaker 1He felt different when he'd received it. Yeah, Like afterwards. How did he feel when he had his new?
Speaker 3kid.
Speaker 1You know, did they have any experiences or anything like that? Yeah, I'm going to say probably not as much. Only because it's in the family. You're already part of one another. Right, that's your offspring, that's your daughter. She's giving you something.
Speaker 3Well, he was my mom since I was 15 and I'm 53 now, so that's how many years you know what.
Speaker 1So again I said yeah, that's why. So you know, it was still my. My sister was still mid-teens, if he does.
Speaker 3If he did, so I'm not, yeah, I wonder, you should ask him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 3There's some interesting stories of people who've had those kind of experiences Mm-hmm Because stuff. You know Now what was the stuff.
Remarkable Donor Memory Cases
Speaker 1Well, I'll send it to you right now. Then let's see. It says here there have been several intriguing cases with organ transplant recipients claimed to have experienced personality changes, new habits or even memories that seem to align with their donor's life. Will these cases or anecdotal? They continue to discussion of a possibility of cellular memory.
Speaker 3Okay.
Speaker 1Here are some of the most well-known cases Claire Sylvia new craving and personality traits. Claire Sylvia's heart-lung transplant recipient, wrote A Change of Heart 1997, where she described craving beer, green peppers and chicken nuggets food she'd never liked before. Whoa.
Speaker 2See, that's crazy. So she basically got a heart transplant and now she had all these foods for beer and chicken nuggets. And like yeah, that's wow, green peppers. So those are things that that person that she got it from probably yeah, the guy who liked it.
Speaker 3That's what it says. Next, he was an 18-year-old young man Love these foods.
Speaker 1Yeah, the guy who that's what it says.
Speaker 2Next, he was an 18-year-old young man Love these foods.
Speaker 3Yeah, that sounds like an 18-year-old Dude yeah, I know I love chicken nuggets. That's guy food. Yeah, I want some chicken nuggets. Yeah, and she also reported feeling more masculine and outgoing after the transplant. So you know, yeah, that's serious. What about?
Speaker 1this one, this one is the one. I heard that. I thought was interesting Eight-year-old girl.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 1And her donor's murder. An eight-year-old girl received a heart transplant having nightmares or even being murdered. She described it so vivid that doctor's parents informed the police. The investigation led to capture of the donor's actual murderer. Confirming details the girl had never known before.
Speaker 3Whoa yeah, you see, bro, that's nuts. Well, see, now, I know we're talking about this, but I get it.
The Spiritual Connection of Transplants
Speaker 2See, this is the thing where, like, we're more connected than we think. What is reality and what is not. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3But see, now you're saying that because that's where I was going to go with it. So that now Makes you question reality yeah. What is real Like. Is it I need more? Did you really? So? If we're in the matrix, did you really give that person the transplant? You know what I mean? And now, if we're in the matrix and we're all, because it's all in the code.
Speaker 2Oh, you're thinking like the simulation, yeah. So then, if it's all on code you know what I'm saying, I just took some of my code and put it on yours.
Speaker 3I'm just saying Same idea.
Speaker 2I know that was a little bit out there for you. Like, over like the course of like 10 years, you actually turn into that person Like fully Right, Dude.
Speaker 3That would be so insane, bro Like you slowly have a transition period like both of them. But then that's the other thing too. So you've heard, when people get hit in the head really hard or that they have some kind of brain trauma, that their personalities change or they become really fucking smart.
Speaker 1There was a case where a man what happened? He wound up becoming like a mathematician or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he never knew math, he hated it Right, and now he's a freaking genius. Now he's like this wizard.
Speaker 2Yeah, I know we're getting off topic here, but you know, what is the funniest Is the ones, the people that have like. The funniest is the ones the people that have like they have like a traumatic injury or like they or like they could have a cancer. Whatever it is they. They have a brain. Something happened with brain injury and now they have. They have an accent from another country like a woman had like a chinese accent?
Speaker 2she's no, but she's originally from like england, and she's like she's like that people think I speak a china east, but like that's how she talks yeah and like there was another lady who's like speaking with a French.
Speaker 3I still but she's like they showed a video of her and she's like from England shut up, because I think they took this in like England yeah, bro, that's insane.
Speaker 1I can't wait till I find out. I don't want this to happen to anybody but you know, get that case where someone's talking to me from Brooklyn. They've been in Brooklyn their life and they're from like Finland. Right, right.
Speaker 3Exactly, well, you know. But or Jersey, well, so that then I wonder. So we don't have that in our stuff, but I'm wondering if that would be something that would happen from an organ transplant. You know what I'm saying Pick up another accent, Like you said maybe not immediately.
Speaker 2They say foods. They say Right, if you're doing the four or like mannerisms, right, you could pick up some mannerisms Maybe. They said music.
Speaker 3Yeah, right, right, said that music that you turn around.
Speaker 2They never listen to certain music.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1That's what I'm saying, man. It shows you how connected you are to your body. You don't even realize it. Like what's if I got?
Speaker 2like a heart transplant and the person was like Jamaican. And like I started doing, like when people and every time someone says something stupid, I go, I do something like that, you know. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3Oh my God, yeah, man. But you know what I mean, because that's a yeah, yeah, oh my god, yeah, man. But it's the truth.
Speaker 3But see, and I mean, yeah, it's still the same thing to me, but you know, with your vehicles or people, so, like you say like they say you know because I ride motorcycles, so don't, if there's a somebody crashes a motorcycle, don't buy the crashed motorcycle like don't rebuild it, you shouldn't. You know what I'm saying. But same thing with a car. You don't buy a car that somebody died in because you know it's like Christine.
Speaker 1Remember that movie, Christine. Somebody died in.
Speaker 3Yeah, you ever see that. You seen the horror movie, christine.
Speaker 1Yeah, with the car.
Speaker 3Yeah, of course, see that. Yeah, so that then think about it, bro.
Speaker 2I mean, is that if the car is haunted yeah, you know they should they should inform you and be like we're giving. We, we have a kidney for you, we have a heart for you. We found a, but the person was murdered right?
Speaker 1well, that's what they'll be like but that's the same thing.
Energy Transfer and Chakra Theory
Speaker 3When lou just read the eight-year-old girl giving details to you know, saying like that's gotta be insane, bro. That means I would rather die.
Speaker 2Yeah, I would rather kill it off than get your heart but what if it was from a serial killer?
Speaker 3you were getting a serial killer's organs.
Speaker 1I would be a good movie. I think they've done something like that. Really, I don't know if they did that, that movie.
Speaker 3I don't remember the name of it so I'm not even going to make believe. Like I remember, I don't remember.
Speaker 1But yeah, dude, that would be sick. So now do you turn around?
Speaker 3right. And now do you keep an eye on that person? Because now you, as the authorities or the doctor or family member, you know. Well, you don't. They don't tell you who it is that you're getting the, the organs from Right. They just tell you you have to write a letter to the family. You know what I'm saying. So that then you know, depending on who it is, or whatever, that then you know. You don't want to know who it is, you're just saying thank you for it and I appreciate you know the love. So if you, yes, turn around and could get traits from somebody because of their, I totally see it happening.
Speaker 1Yeah, it makes sense. Mm-hmm, listen, what do you call it? I don't know. So, jamie Sherman, right, this kid wound up liking from a transplant from a young boy who loved classical music. After the transplant, jamie had never enjoyed classical people ever and then wound up liking it and he met his parents and they told him he was, he was getting into classical music, you see there you go when you see, this is not the thing.
Speaker 1It's not that I don't believe this is happening. The thing is is that when it does happen, people don't believe it. I'm thinking how do you believe that it totally makes sense? You know this energy there. It's something that's from somebody else that they were carrying with them for a long time makes you really like, like, what is, like I said, like what is reality, like what are we?
Speaker 2you know?
Speaker 3yeah like well, I mean, think about it, bro, like stuff like that, like yes right but now so you and I a little bit more sci-fi geeks with some of the stuff right and listen to what I'm saying, that's what I'm gonna say. You're more of like reality. Sci-fi I is what I. I subject you guys like you know, like the star trek. It could be, like that's real. We could see the star trek happening. I think tom and I are more on the yeah, we believe that kind. Think Tom and I are more on the yeah, we believe that kind of stuff. But we are more like the mythological stuff.
Soul Connections and Universal Origins
Speaker 3So then like everything is how, like Lou said before, like it's that connection you know what I'm saying that everybody has, so that then when you get an organ from somebody and you do like you just said, like with that classical music, yeah, do you get their sensitivity depends.
Speaker 3It could just be certain traits, it may not be everything well, no, no right, not everything, but I'm saying like instead of like. Instead of liking the classical music, would you be more sensitive? You know what I'm saying? Like instead of liking the classical music, would you be more sensitive? You know what I'm saying, do you think? Maybe?
Speaker 1Depends on the person right that would be crazy, was that? Person sensitive. What were their traits? What? Was going on. It's basically inheriting what they had Right, so it's a piece of them. You know, yeah, it's helping you live and it's healthy and so all that, but at the same time, you're also getting memories from that person and it's only going to be certain ones. I'm sure it wouldn't be all of them of course. I imagine, but it's amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 1We were talking about the spiritual part of it. Right In this view. When a transplant happens, it's not just a physical merging but a spiritual blending. Recipient may feel different, not because of cells alone, but because they are now living with part of another person's soul and energy. Some people even hold rituals or blessings to help welcome the organ and harmonize spirituality with the donor's essence. There it is.
Speaker 2There it is. I see there might be a little bit of that in there too, yeah. Mysticism, yeah In there.
Speaker 3You know, yeah, because I mean, dude, listen, I believe, like when, just alone, not even with the transplant I believe that, like just the three of us doing the show how long as long as we've been doing it, that we have picked up traits, things from each other you know whether we say something real quick, they know that like, oh shit, that's something Kenny would say. Oh, tom said that, yo, freaking Lou, yo, he did that shit the other day. I can't believe. I just did it again. Like it's, it's that, so it's got to be a hundredfold. You know what I'm saying when you do get a transplant, because you do, you get a good person, and then that's the toss of the dice, you know.
Speaker 2That's the toss of the dice. That's why they should have a good personality profile with the organ.
Speaker 1They should screen it. They should absolutely do that.
Speaker 3So they do. You do, like I said so when my sister donating the kidney Really, right, you know you have to go through the whole thing. So you have to change the way you eat. You know you have to be a certain kind of healthy for a certain amount of time before you are allowed to donate whatever you know, of course, if you die, you know before you, you know whatever, they still have to test it out to see if it's a good match for whomever and make sure you know they still, you still fill out the paperwork and whatnot.
Speaker 3I'm sure there's a lot of it, yeah, and now, because there's living donors. So kidney is a living donor, right, you know what I mean. And, like I said, you know those. You do have to go through some kind of questionnaire. You have to do therapy session. You have to go talk to the shrink and stuff to make sure that you're a sound bind to. You know you're giving up a part of your body. You know you're giving up a little bit of something of you, right. So that, yeah, man, right, but the people don't read it. So if I'm the one, you know, god forbid that I needed an organ. I don't know who it is I'm getting it from, unless, like I said, it's a living donor, right, right, right. And so you never know you, you never know who you're going to get it from and all of a sudden, after you get it, you wake up and you're just like, like you said, have a different accent.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3You know what I'm saying. You actually like people now when you didn't before. Right, you know, you actually are just like, yeah, you know what the world is great. You know what I'm saying. Meanwhile, all you could turn around because, like I said before, you know, I've heard read stories where people had had a serious brain trauma, yeah, and they went from being a nice guy to you know, and taking care of the family and whatnot, to now it's like yo, he's a womanizer and you know he's an alcoholic now and he's always out partying or just mean criminal kind of guy and whatnot. We wound up getting that hard, yeah, and then you went and that's then you, you know, there you go. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, no, hit the button, you fall to the hole, not you, yeah.
Speaker 1What kind of person do they have? Do they have right now?
Speaker 3Something's going to lead through there somehow.
Speaker 1Maybe not through this, somehow, maybe not, you know, maybe it doesn't happen to everybody, mm-hmm. Or maybe it's happening and you don't know it's happening Right to you. People have it right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know it's happening to you, right, so you can't identify it? Mm-hmm, you know what I mean. So it can be happening, true true, true.
Speaker 3But would it be enough that other people notice that it's happening to you?
Speaker 1Possibility. Maybe other people can see it, but you're not, and you need someone to point that out to you once in a while, or maybe people know you were an asshole before and they're not going to tell you.
Speaker 3You're being a nice guy now.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3They're just enjoying the moment.
Speaker 1Right, so they're not going to tell you shit.
Speaker 3Yeah, dude, yeah, I think that would happen to me. People wouldn't tell me nothing. They would tell you shit, man, don't tell them. Don't tell them he's a nice guy. Now Don't say none of that. No, that is freaking hilarious. But I say like so now one of the other things they're saying, part of what we were saying the energy transfer and chakras. So in Eastern spiritual systems, like the Chinese medicine, the body has energy centers, the chakras, or the meridians, right Major organs are tied to emotions Heart, love, courage, joy. The liver is anger and frustration. Okay, kidneys is fear and anxiety. Wow, so yeah.
Speaker 1That's amazing.
Speaker 3Mm-hmm, yeah, so imagine that man. It's amazing. Mm-hmm, yeah. So imagine that man. Again, you're getting the liver and if you're getting that person, some of their chakra it opens your mind up to like wow, this goes deeper than just you know You're actually energy is being transferred and used somewhere else, mm-hmm, and that person may experience something from you.
Speaker 2Right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Vice versa, but if you ever needed anything like that, you know. Hopefully that person's a good person. Yeah.
Speaker 2Because I do believe that.
Speaker 1Yes, they gave off that energy and that's who they were. It would be hard to believe that it wouldn't transfer over somehow. You know, in some way.
Impact of Transplants on Recipients
Speaker 2Yeah, no, I'm going to, wouldn't transfer over somehow, you know, in some way. Yeah, no, I'm gonna try to fork it, force my all my energy into one of my organs and then I can, so I can be transferred into another person.
Speaker 3Yeah, and we and live on, yeah, chucky yeah oh, dude, that's like chucky yeah, oh yeah through transplant.
Speaker 3Yes, I'm just saying I believe that. Yeah, but again, that's even a perfect example. He was transferring his soul, his spirit, and he transferred it into the doll and his evil is what that was and tried to transfer it into the little boy you know. See, like here too. So, going with the Chucky reincarnation and soul contracts In some new age and reincarnation philosophies, people believe nothing happens by accident. The donor and recipient may have a soul connection from a past life. Dude, that's like you turn around and when you meet somebody you're like, oh my God, I feel like I've known you for years. It was you, it was you.
Speaker 1You see what I'm saying. It's super uncomfortable right now. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2See, just a little bit.
Speaker 3A transplant might be part of a soul contract, a pre-life agreement between souls to meet. In this way, After receiving the organ, the recipient may experience memories, dreams or traits tied to the donor's past life experiences. Okay, Like I said, you know, Just saying you know everything has energy.
Speaker 1Yes, sir, I don't even think people realize that what we have is the older we get. If we're smart enough and wise enough, you start to notice these things and realize you know, oh man, I always saw that energy on this bullshit.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm Doing this and Doing this.
Speaker 1But that's life, that's how you learn, but hopefully you get to that point where you know. You know that You're in a good place.
Speaker 3Well, that's what they say Youth is wasted on the young Right. Of course you know what I mean Because of had I known then what I know now? Forget about it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1But this, forget about it. Yeah, you know what I mean, but this is, you know I I think there is a connection in some way or another. You know, do you ever hear of? This is a little off the subject, but so, supposedly, if you pass, when you pass away, and you could either go up to the light right, you're that way or where you'll be recycled and you'll come back again, okay and all that other stuff. But if you turn around yes, I've heard this before and you look at the universe and say take me home.
Speaker 3You gotta say take me home, take me home. You gotta say take me home yeah, or supposedly.
Speaker 2Supposedly Maybe, oh, maybe just, but it's real. I'm not saying that at all, that's right.
Speaker 1Because you're the one that told me about that. Right, I'm just saying it's just a different theory. I've never even thought how would I know to turn around when I was there.
Speaker 3Is that?
Speaker 1even possible. No, get back to what we were talking about.
Speaker 3But no. So, but then now, with that though sorry because we were, you know, saying that, but so we go by. Of course, again, what we see in movies, when people turn around, they're seeing where they just left from or where they just came from. So like, when you turn around you see yourself on the operating table or you see yourself in the room or wherever it was that you just died. When it first happens, so now as you so now?
Speaker 3so what you're saying is that when you get into the light, there's nothing else. Now you're already in the light, right, if you turn back around is where you'll see, even before you go into the light.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, okay, before you go into the light. Yeah, if you see the light, say turn around, turn around. Wow, dude, that's craziness, how could you know to do that?
Speaker 2Yes, dude. Or what if it conspiracy for the devil?
Speaker 3Oh, take me home, here we go. Like the claw was in a creep show, something like that.
Speaker 2No, I mean I'm just talking, you know?
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm not, yeah, I'm just being.
Speaker 2you know I'm playing the devil's apple. Oh, taking my job, are we there? But yeah, man you know their buddy.
Speaker 3But yeah, man, you know, and so again, then if somebody passes and they turn around, and go to how you're saying that they go back to wherever, beginning that we are.
Speaker 1You travel to wherever it in the universe you come from.
Speaker 3Are they going to be able to go there? Because now they are donors. So when they die, the, so you, you hear what I'm saying, so you think they lose a piece of themselves in some sense I don't think so, I'll go with that theory?
Speaker 1I don't think so.
Speaker 3Because their spirit is going to what people believe could be our universal origin?
Speaker 1I don't think so, though. I said then what we said yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. I couldn't answer that illogically and say how that would or wouldn't be.
Speaker 3That. If so, when we said, oh sorry, my back, my neck and my back, so we go by what is said by the Eastern spiritual system, chakra stuff. If you donate the heart, there's love, courage and joy. The liver is anger and frustration, the kidneys is fear and anxiety. Right? So then let's just say that you know, somebody donated, somebody knows what we just said, that if you go to the light, or just before you get to the light, you turn around and you can go back to. You know where we are in the universe. But if they donated their heart.
Speaker 1If they were in action, they lost the limb, but that's what I'm saying. But if they're dead, no, but hear me out. Okay, in their life, right, they had an accident, they lost a limb Right and then they died. They would still be accepted just because they only had one less limb?
Speaker 3No, no, no, I'm saying that if, then if they, whatever part of their body was donated, that then that person that died, their spirit, was supposed to go.
Speaker 1If they're able to go to wherever, I don't think there's like a restriction or anything like that. I think you'll go regardless, but I don't know. I couldn't answer Wherever it is that we go.
Speaker 3Because I mean, I'm just saying like a part of their spiritual energy would stay with you that's all I can say if they decided they were going to go back to their universal birthplaces. You know what I'm saying that?
Speaker 1would be interesting that would be wild, that would explain a lot of things because you would come from different.
Final Thoughts on Cellular Memory
Speaker 3Everybody came from like a different universe, so that boom when we turn around and we hear people that can tell the future. Yeah, is it that? Not so much that they got a transplant, but, if you know, did they hit their head? You know what I mean, because you look at, I mean like we know, no, shaddam is, you know, foretelling the future and whatnot. And I've got this other charles, something like that. You lost me there. So I'm saying that people, if you get, have that spiritual connection with somebody because of a transplant or because of you know, let's say even a blood.
Speaker 3Yeah. So then you know, you, you say, like a blood transfusion, right, that you would get some of what, like their energy, their powers, as we're saying, could be, if that's how people are able to foretell the future.
Speaker 1Did that make sense? I guess you know, yeah, I guess Anything's possible, right? Who knows Like when I go in? You know we donate, people donate blood all the time, Right? So you don't hear about it that much as far as blood is concerned Because I don't even know.
Speaker 3do they even know that it's happening to them? I don't know. You know what I?
Speaker 1mean. But I think the fact that I think it's a good thing and I don't think it's a bad thing or anything it should be, you know, had any type of demerit or anything like that, because you know, you went to the afterlife without something in your body, right? No, I don't think it works like that, but I understand what you're saying. Yeah, it's interesting, though, that how connected you are to your body and how someone else can experience.
Speaker 2It's wild yeah.
Speaker 3Because, like you're saying so, like even here, mediumship and channeling, some mediums and spiritual sensitivities believe that the donor's spirit may linger for a time near the organ, especially if their death was sudden.
Speaker 3so then, if you got one, that from somebody who was a medium- yeah that, then you might have that power too, yeah that's pretty crazy man yeah, I wonder if that I'm saying so like now, you know I would be able to tell the future, not tell the future, but you know, just because you know, you got what's her name the Long Island Medium. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like, you got that lady and you know she donates blood, so now her donating blood is now.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think we would have heard of that already.
Speaker 2What's if a Jedi Does?
Speaker 3it have metachlorians in it, you get some little bit of force.
Speaker 2But you might, you just like push a piece of paper? Yeah, but you might. Yeah, because you have some Exactly.
Speaker 3It may not be Jedi Master, yeah, but you have enough to be able to you know, to bring your cup across this table.
Speaker 3What's if it's okay? Oh, yeah, how old are we right now? Oh well, yo, yo, yeah, that's exactly how old we are. Yeah, yeah, I like that one. That was a good one, that is a good one. But yeah, you know, it's with anything, especially now, because you know we've had our, our spiritual conversations, if you will, and you know just about where life could be, where we've come from. You know we've had all that Right Kind of combo.
Speaker 1We've been on the alien ride, exactly I mean we're into all of that because we're open-minded to things and we're not allowing ourselves to be just tunnel vision.
Speaker 3You know what I mean.
Speaker 1Right, we're open to other things and that's why we talk about the things we do, because it's interesting when you hear something like this is pretty cool that this could happen. Yeah that could be true Someone could transfer their energy onto someone else, and that would be fantabulous. But it may not happen all the time. I think it's just. Maybe it only happens to certain individuals, maybe the individuals it happens to they're more open to something else.
Speaker 1I didn't think about that. Right, a lot of people get trampled so you don't hear a lot of it. You only hear from certain. I'm sure if you research it'll be a bunch, but not like yeah, maybe people who are more open, their soul is more.
Speaker 3Yeah, that would be one to look up. You know what I mean To to to hear more people who received transplants and maybe even talking to the families of the donors to see if that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1I bet you they do it already. I'm sure they do. Yeah, that would be groovy. They probably do, for sure, no doubt about it, that would be way groovy.
Speaker 3Yeah, cause I tell you what you know when you feel that, like you said, that we do, like we've, you know, all just spoken on, just as I said, being in other people's presence and you know them rubbing off on you. I mean, bro, that's Talk about rubbing off on you.
Speaker 1You see it wasn't me Rubbing one out on you. That's a different podcast. That's a different podcast.
Speaker 3that's a different one that is a different one, oh my god thanks for coming everyone that's a good, no pun intended that was good, tom. That was good as you walked away with the pearl necklace.
Speaker 1You just fucking always have something to say. At the end was good.
Speaker 3That was good as you walked away with the pearl necklace. Oh man, oh, that's great. That's not really what happened, people, I promise yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to put this one on youtube- people like it.
Speaker 1That is too funny stuff, man. Yes, over yourself, man.
Speaker 3Yes, there you go. Exactly, yeah, but yeah, man, this is super interesting and it is really cool, you know, because my next question would be is it that you yourself change upon receiving right? Go ahead. I'm sorry, because you are grateful for being able to live again, because now you have a healthy organ, so you need to accept it Right.
Speaker 3So then, now you know what. I lived a little bit on the edge. I was a little bit like this person. Now I've gotten this gift to be able to live longer, because I've gotten this, Now me myself. Is it really that it's me myself?
Speaker 1well, they say that. They said that's another case. It could possibly be because the fact you know you're getting something and it's a mental thing right, you know they talk about, so you're great.
Speaker 2I mean like oh okay, I thought you meant that it was like a psychosomatic or something yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah, exactly like. They're like, oh, for instance Like oh, I hear the like, but with these stories that we've been reading, though, these people didn't know about the other people's- stuff, so I don't know it's too coincidental. I mean, maybe that also happens, though, you know, maybe sometimes it's psychosomatic, you know where they're like. Oh, I think I have something you know, right yeah. But, and it's nothing you know, Right.
Speaker 2But then for some where it's unexplainable, it's like how did you know? They know that this person liked this? You know type of food? Or something that they didn't like before.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 2They find out that the person they got the heart donated from liked that type of food.
Speaker 1Yeah, they person they got the the heart donate from like that type of food.
Speaker 3Yeah, they're like yeah, tofu, yeah, I didn't like it now I do, but now again when, as we get older, yeah, our our, our, our taste buds change. Right, there are things that we like now that we didn't like before. You know right, so that then, like you said, like we've been saying now, is it just psychosomatic that we are now liking these things. You know what I mean? Is it now just again us being grateful for getting this donation, that now we just are thankful and nice to people? You?
Speaker 1know what I'm saying. I guess something would change with you. I would imagine it would, and hopefully, when you get it you go through the transformation, because I heard it's not that easy. Just because you get one doesn't mean you're gonna survive it either right, yeah it's. It's a hard thing to go through, so I think all of that you need to have a positive mind, regardless, as best as you could to get through that I would imagine, you know, and people around you of course, right, yeah, right to support yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's necessary, you know, and people around you, of course. Right Right the support. Yeah, absolutely it's necessary. Yeah, I would imagine it's a very traumatic experience in some way or another. Yeah, it is, you know.
Speaker 3Yep, because you do feel it Emotionally too. Yeah, like I said, because my sister donating the kidney, you know you end up. You know you feel some kind of way. It's not so much that you feel empty, but you just do feel different. You know what I mean. Like huh, you or your sister, my sister, I'm saying you know, like, you know she would feel, you know she felt, you know a little bit different. You know, like now it's the whole thing. You know I'm helping somebody else live. You know what I'm saying. I'm helping somebody else. I've given.
Speaker 1She recognized that that's a good thing, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3So, like you know, it's that whole, it's just all of that.
Speaker 1You know what I mean. That's called maturity, right? I mean that's yeah, listen, she's always been more mature than me. Well, I, it's great, yeah, no listen, my sister is amazing. You know what I'm saying? Anybody does it.
Speaker 3that's awesome yeah you know, and she, like I said for her to turn around, I was like you're better than me, you know, whatever, not you know, just like how I was. Yeah, no, no, you know, but you know it is, it's those things, it's that emotion, even too, it's that emotion that you had just before you passed, that might still be in that organ. You know what I mean. Anything, right, yeah, I mean, like I said, if you're in a traumatic accident and you're passing, it's that last moment, it's like you know what I mean and it's over. You know what I mean that that's now stuck in your body. That's why they say like ghosts, you know, because ghosts don't know that they're gone, stuck in your body. That's why they say like ghosts, you know, because ghosts don't know that they're gone Right Because the energy lingers.
Speaker 3Because the energy lingers. You know what I'm saying. They didn't know that they had passed on, because it happened Like it was just that super shocking, like no, no, they're just stuck in that moment, exactly so now it's kind of strange either you know, but then it's yeah, exactly and that, but then that's the different kinds of you know. Well, I watch all those ghost shows too, and it's the different kinds of ghosts that they say, yeah, there's conscious ones, right ones that are stuck in a loop.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's not even like a, it's just like a memory is like right. It's like it's not even like a ghost, it's like a time, like it's like a time loop. Yeah, there's like like like time has crossed Right, like they say time doesn't exist.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1Yes, allegedly, you know Right.
Speaker 3So maybe it's a glitch in the matrix you know, there you go. You know what I mean. It's a past recording getting Right yeah.
Speaker 1Pre-play again, yeah.
Speaker 3When you used to record videos and you had the VHS tape. They would still sometimes be like. It would get that little static.
Speaker 2They say it's like stored energy in the house. Actually, when that happens, what happens Like ghosts.
Speaker 2Like the whole metaphysical theory is that it's not actually the ghost, it's just energy from like. It's like that like someone walked in the hall the same way every day for like 10 years, 20 years of being in the house, that that stored energy and that it's like meant like it has, like the house has like memory, right like there's energy in the house from that person. It's not even a ghost those footsteps, it's just like yeah, fucking, energy stuck in the house, which is weird fucking's not even a ghost as footsteps. It's just like, yeah, fucking, energy stuck right house, right, weird, fucking crazy, not even a ghost yeah, you're hearing footsteps.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'm out I hear footsteps.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'm fucked up, right myself do you have a good night? Yeah, and that, and so again, um boom, I give you like so now, because you said that and me thinking now with this, so at work today. As a matter of fact, it happened today the AC isn't working properly at work. Okay, yeah, and I'm standing in between the two machines I work on and I'm talking to one of my staff and I was like yo, you smell that. She looks at me like what, like you don't smell that. She says no, what Smell like cigarettes. Somebody was smoking. It smelled like it smelled it. It smelled like somebody was smoking and had come in and they had like they weren't smoking and you could smell the nicotine.
Speaker 2Oh, you mean when someone comes in?
Speaker 3yeah, outside, especially when it's raining, yeah, and it was raining today, bro, it was raining today and this and the girl she. I said it was raining today and the girl I was like you know what's up. She goes. No, and she takes two steps back from me and you know her. I say her name and she's looking at me like I don't know what you're talking about. I was like yo, and it's chilly over here, you feel the AC. She's like it is hot. What are you talking about? I'm like nobody. So with that, that's definitely Right. So now organ smoker.
Speaker 1Yeah, well, yeah, you would obviously have to get a healthy organ.
Speaker 3Well, yeah, I'm just saying but if they were around somebody that smoked, or if they were ex-smokers, you know what I mean? That goes back to the cravings.
Speaker 1Yeah, but if it's already, oh, I see, if they were ex-smokers, that's good.
Speaker 3Right, Then you know, the organ would still be healthy enough for you to get it, especially if they just died. That's like you know, and I forgot you could even get lungs and stuff like that too.
Speaker 1Yeah right, that was in one of our other stories.
Speaker 3I didn't even do that, and that's I'm telling you, man Lou, I believe you are 100% right. You know I'm saying everything is connected you know we I'll make the the movie analogy you know the avatar, you know, so you have avatar and they were all connected to awa. You know, I mean, and it they had it that it was living in that tree, in the first one right, you know I'm saying, and the other one, the water one.
Speaker 2I didn't get to see that. Oh sorry you got. I don't spoiler for everybody, but you can tell me I don't care, all right well, and.
Speaker 3But you can tell me I don't care.
Speaker 2All right, well, and, and, but probably if I watch it, but I'm going to watch it again yeah.
Speaker 3The water one. You know it was underwater. You know what I mean. They were connecting with all the fish and well, I mean that that it was it wasn't the same.
Speaker 2They had gills and whatnot.
Speaker 3Gills and stuff like that. Yeah, but it was there was like another species of people yes, another avatar that were living in the water. It's not like a plant.
Speaker 2A different planet or same planet, no same planet.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, it's like seaweed, I guess. Whatever the trees that would grow under in the water, that's what they were connecting to On land, it was the tree Right.
Speaker 1And in the water it was like that seaweed kind of stuff. Whatever grows on the ground.
Speaker 3Yeah, and come to that. It was all connected, right. Like you see, it was just like the tree the roots were down in the water, kind of thing it was. You know it's all oh cool. But going back to what you're saying, that it is, I do believe that we are all connected in some way, shape or form. You know, those of us who are closer to each other is because we have a better connection. You know whether that we knew each other from before, whether we drank out of the same pool of water, whatever the case may be, it was that we're all connected. Why?
Speaker 1would I drink out?
Speaker 3of the same pool of water. Because back in the day when we didn't have to dig out from the well and get the whatever you know, we were oh, oh, oh and knocking people out with the bucket. Okay. We're going to go way, way back to the early days, you know.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, that works, yeah yeah exactly.
Speaker 1I just think it's just the fact that they say you've got to be careful.
Speaker 2What?
Speaker 1you put out into the universe Definitely, so what you say can actually come back and hurt you. There's so much stuff out there, so many different things that people talk about. A lot makes sense. Some of it is just you know like what? Really yeah, which is cool really yeah, which is cool. That's why I say, if you're open minded and you talk about these things and you look at them, heck. You know. My wife thinks I'm the biggest geek there is.
Speaker 3I got.
Speaker 1National Geographic on. I'm watching the thing with the pyramids, anything that's you know, travel channel, I've watched the ghost hunters, the ghost hunters.
Speaker 3yeah, that's what I'm saying, that's what we're about.
Speaker 1That's what we do. We're nerdy. Yeah, we like everything from almost any place, pretty much. I mean. I'm sure there's a lot more that we don't. Yeah, yeah, we haven't but-. It was time.
Speaker 3But it is man.
Speaker 1I you know like, listen, sorry. Psychologically influenced.
Speaker 2Knowing details about the donor might create subconscious associations leading recipients to receive changes in themselves. In other words, that's what we're saying yeah, like you know right Cellular memory theory.
Speaker 1Some researchers speculate the cells, particularly in organs like the heart, may store certain biochemical imprints that could influence emotions or behaviors. However, this is lightly highly controversial and not widely accepted in the mainstream science. Of course it's not. Of course, medication and trauma effects the physical and emotional impact of saving a transplant, along with strong immunosuppressive drugs, can lead to psychological changes that might feel like new personality traits.
Speaker 3That's freaking nuts.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's what I'm saying it's amazing how that can just go to someone else and they can experience that Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know. Yeah, that's like hitting the lottery man. You better hope you're getting something good. They do it with the bone marrow too. I wonder, like you were saying earlier, I wonder with the bow marrow too. I wonder, like you were saying earlier, I wonder with the bow marrow, if that has anything to do with it too. Probably not, because you would have heard about that already.
Speaker 3Well, I don't know I mean think about it how many people think that they might be crazy when they say that all of a sudden I've got these urges?
Speaker 1or these thoughts. I play classical piano. All of a sudden, I have no idea how that happens.
Speaker 3That would be different, different like doing the classical piano well, so like doing another language.
Speaker 3Yeah, like that would be things that people would want to celebrate and or say because they got that, you know, because of having a transplant or whatever. But the ones who turn around like yo, I eat broccoli now, or you know, I turn around and I can, you know, I drive a little bit faster, I feel like I'm more energy or I quit smoking, like those are things that people aren't gonna like, oh, oh yeah. Hey, doc, this is what happened. Let's put it in the you know medical journal.
Speaker 1Nobody's going to give a shit, not everybody's appreciative of it, of it like that Right.
Speaker 3Yeah, exactly, it is like, yeah, listen, I'm just living another day and it's whatever you know. But again, these are things that we've heard, seen spoken on People. Those are the experiences that people have had, being able to do all that stuff, and then you have those who think coincidence, right, confirmation bias.
Episode Closing
Speaker 1Recipients may naturally develop new tastes and behaviors over time. When they learn about their donor, they might selectively connect these changes to the transplant. In other words, it's just, it's by accident, right, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, it just happens to be yeah attitude, but when it's strong, like the stories we read earlier. That's the fascinating part. We're not just talking about just basic little things, you know they're talking about okay, wait a minute, this happened and that happened.
Speaker 3Nah, yeah, no it just doesn't work for me.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah no like that, I couldn't believe it right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3That's crazy, yeah, I mean shit, like we've turned around and said so many times before. You know, just be kind to everybody, yeah, because you never know. You know what I mean. You, you get a transplant, you transplant, you'll need a transplant. You gotta be kind to people because, again, the universe, I think that we're all, just, you know, linked, we're linked in. We're space dust, we're all space dust, yeah we're linked in space dust.
Speaker 3We are space dust that being said, so with that, appreciate everybody being here with us. Thank you for listening, gentlemen, appreciate y appreciate everybody being here with us.
Speaker 1Thank you for listening. Gentlemen, appreciate y'all being here.
Speaker 3Thank you very much, as always. As always With that love, peace and air grease live long and prosper.
Speaker 1Go vegan.
Speaker 2Holla.
