Revenge of the Sith Is Where the Jedi Failed Anakin | Part 1 of 2

Revenge of the Sith is where Anakin Skywalker falls, the Jedi Order fails, and the Republic finally becomes the Empire.

In this episode of CC & NJ Guy, we break down why Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith may be the most important movie in the entire saga — not just because Anakin becomes Darth Vader, but because every warning sign from the prequels finally explodes.

We talk about how The Clone Wars makes Revenge of the Sith hit even harder, why Anakin’s fear of losing Padmé becomes the perfect weapon for Palpatine, and how the Jedi Council’s distrust, emotional distance, and rigid rules helped push him closer to the dark side.

The conversation also gets into Count Dooku’s shocking realization during the “do it” scene, Palpatine’s long game, the Rule of Two, Mace Windu, Ahsoka, Grogu, Darth Maul, and why Star Wars works so well when it expands beyond the Skywalker story.

If you love Star Wars rewatch discussions, Anakin Skywalker theories, Clone Wars connections, Sith lore, Jedi Council debates, Darth Vader origin analysis, and chaotic podcast conversations that go way too deep in the best way, this episode is for you.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why Revenge of the Sith might be the best Star Wars prequel
• How The Clone Wars changes the way you watch Episode III
• Anakin’s slow fall to the dark side
• Count Dooku’s death and Palpatine’s manipulation
• Why the Jedi Council mishandled Anakin
• Mace Windu as the mentor Anakin may have needed
• Ahsoka, Grogu, Darth Maul, and the expanded Star Wars universe
• Sith paranoia, the Rule of Two, and Palpatine’s long game
• Why Star Wars can keep expanding forever

Drop a comment: Was Anakin doomed from the beginning, or did the Jedi create Darth Vader?

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Transcript

Why Episode III Changes Everything

Tom 0:00

Episode one and two were warnings. Revenge of the Sith is a catastrophe. This is where the Republic dies. The Jedi fail, and the chosen one becomes the very thing he was supposed to destroy.

SPEAKER_03 0:15

Live from Robert Studios.

Tom 0:21

What's the funniest you guys, man? You guys are fucking I love it. So we have Justin back. What's going on, Justin? Hi everybody. Hi guys. He's a big Star Wars guy, this man right here. Yeah, yeah. So we are back. We are talking about episode three, Revenge of the Sith. My favorite one. Yeah. Some would argue it's the best.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Yes. It's me, I would argue that. Yes.

Tom 0:44

Well, I think we're all in agreement. I I honestly think that episode three is the best episode of all the Star Wars because it's like the whole like change of everything. And there's just so much that's happening in there. Right.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

So what what are your thoughts, Justin? I think it's probably one of like the best for something that was always intended to be a prequel series. That's probably the best rendition there has ever been of a prequel series that truly ties itself back to what it's intended to be a part of, you know, the the original trilogy that being. Much that it has to do to get from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader. Darth Vader, as we're supposed to know it, as the original trilogy. There's so much that the movie has to do from beginning to end to get there, and it does it perfectly in like a perfect amount of time.

Tom 1:36

Yeah,

Clone Wars As The Missing Bridge

Tom 1:37

I 100% agree. They they they really did that movie so well. You know what the one thing that I um I always tell people like about um is the expanded universe. And I I think a lot of people should like start check it out and get into it, and it's and that is watching the Clone Wars. Because if you watch the entire Clone War series and then watch, go back and watch Revengers, it makes it so much better. Like there's just so much more going on and so much more like character development. Couldn't agree more. So uh so what is expanded universe? That is a great question. Miss Deck Professor You have DC, you have Marvel. Like I said earlier, it's its own. Yeah, so the the Star Wars Expanded Universe is everything is. That is like the whole entire everything. Because you know, it started off with the Skywalker series, but the expanded universe is just there's just so much, so many different stories and everything going on and different get parts of the galaxy, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

And the way that the Clone Wars ties itself directly to episode two and episode three, predominantly episode three, though, and completely bridges the gap between episode two and three. Watching all of Clone Wars and then again hitting episode three, it makes episode three infinitely better than it already was.

SPEAKER_03 2:53

First of all, for me, even though we're not there yet, had the best lightsaber fight ever, okay, in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

All right.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

I would there's so, and then and this is another thing that's like prominent in Clone Wars. There's so many like of these substantially important, really good fights that happen in Clone Wars that you would never know happened if you didn't watch the uh the show at all. There's, I mean, there's several more moments of Yoda in combat. There is plenty more moments of both Anakin and Obi-Wan in combat, as well as their apprentice Ahsoka, who is also now in the in other platforms in the Extended Universe with her own uh show. And it also kind of shows you sometimes through that action and that extra combat that you get, the development of Anakin and his like raw power over time. Exactly.

Tom 3:47

Exactly. The whole the whole series is like just so awesome. And what ends up happening is when it ties in at a certain point when like because it ties into Revenge of the Sith. So if you there's like a handoff moment, like where like they say Coruscant is under attack, right? And you'll see like that's exactly where the scene starts. So at the start of the scene, right? So in Revenge of the Sith, the first start of the scene is Corsant's under attack. You have the them fight. That's and by the way, I think that is the first time do you see Obi-Wan pilot a ship. That's right, yeah. So it's kind of cool. And that's when they go in. So that scene I always think is is is an important scene. So what do you think, Justin?

SPEAKER_01 4:27

You will try. I love that because and that's like something that you get, again, a bunch in Clone Wars. You get to see Obi-Wan fly plenty in Clone Wars. He hates it the whole time. That's like, and that's how they make that. It's funny because episode three has X amount of minutes to it where like you can only get so much of every single character. Right. Clone Wars finds a way to make every minute of episode three like mean something.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

Right. Crazy. It's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Like they take that one little bit of him being like, oh, I hate flying, and turned it into a whole bit over several seasons in Clone Wars.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

I remember when I first saw Star Wars men, but I don't know him to the extent like you guys can. I know a lot of good stuff a lot of stuff because I read, I see what's going on, you know, online. I when you see these stories like with uh Plagueis, all right, that's a different something else is happening here.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

The the Clone Wars show, it dips into even more of that like deep end stuff that you only get snippets of in the actual episode two and three.

Tom 5:29

So

The First Visible Pull Of Darkness

Tom 5:30

there's something I noticed on the rewatch that I wanted to talk about. The scene when he fights Count Dooku, there's something that Count Dooku says to him. He goes, You have fear, you have anger, but you don't use it. And then for some reason you see Anakin and he passes through a shadow, and his eyes glow orange as he passes through the shadow. And you know he's already channeling the dark side after what happened in the last movie with him like killing the whole, like the whole Tuscan Raider family. So like he's already like channeling dark side. And I remember George Lucas saying this. He said something the dark side always like corrupts, no matter how you know. So like he already kind of like did dark shit. And now he's just like, he's already channeling the dark side, he's already on his way.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

And it's it's cool because for for the movies at least, that's the first time that we get just even a glimpse of him like truly stepping off the deep end. And then again, that the enrichment of Clone Wars comes up again. That's not the first time that that ever gets to happen to him. There's a section of Clone Wars, I believe season three. It was called the Mortise Arc, where they went to a very, very special and specific planet where they got to meet like the three deity embodiments of the light, the dark, and the in-between. It's obviously this is like super deep end lore. They were out in deep space, they find the deities of the force, but they they showed him what he is destined kind of to become, and also give him a pretty fair warning. And in that time, when they when they sort of hit him with this vision quest moment, he gets to see himself with those plagued eyes. Right, right.

Lou 7:14

Listen, watching Anakin just grow. Yes to the dark side. Well, because I mean, you know, like Justin and Tom was saying earlier, you know, just watching his power get stronger. Oh, yeah. And I mean, just watching him just you know, hit just his power growing through the movies, uh seeing what he was doing, what we believed he was thinking, how he was feeling. But now with the fandom that's going on, we get to see what we all, you know, what other people think that he was going through. The act what's the actor's name again?

SPEAKER_03 7:45

Who played him? Who played Hayden? Hayden Christian. He said, Incredible, incredible, incredible. When he first did the movies, he got so much backlash and then later on became like a like everybody loved him.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Yeah. Yeah. But it took so much time for that to happen. It was like a very upsetting thing to watch happen. Still, it doesn't take away from how incredible he was. Mm-hmm. And and still is in other stuff to this day. So I think going off of what Kenny's saying, his like the development from one to two to three, it's not even just like a like a coming of man story. It's almost just like a coming of human. It's a very, very human story that you get from him from beginning to end. A lot of the stuff that happens to Anakin, if you realistically put yourself in his exact shoes, is just a very human response in a world that is full of sci-fi fantasy.

Lou 8:38

Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's just it's crazy. Listen, we've been, you know, through all the episodes that we've been talking about, you know, for the last, you know, few um uh episodes of our show. Thinking about just how so many, not you've seen us talking, we have seen, because I'm trying not to make it about me, but how we've seen uh how all of the characters grew, how they all had a part in, you know, just Anakin, you know, Luke, how he, you know, who he who he was, you know, that no Darth Vader's his father. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, exactly. That that Leia is his sister, you know, how close they all were and that they were really family with Han Solo, you know. Then you look at the dark side and you see how the Sith came around and you know, and all the little shows and stuff, the animes and everything that came out of it, and you're like, what the it's so deep, so like the storyline is an insane. I love this shit. There's like we can sit and talk and laugh and joke about it and all the things, and like that Justin. Justin is, you know, well say it like this, you know, Justin's the youngest one out of us, you know, on the show right now, and that it attracted him. Yeah. You know what I mean? So thank you, Justin. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Yeah. I mean, I was I was picked up by Star Wars like so, so early on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I also had so much material already to consume by the time I was like of the age to consume it. So and then on top of that, for all of my growing up, I had the Clone Wars series like coming out. Right. So that was, you know, I got to watch episode one, two, and three almost in secession. And then not too long after that, I got the entire Clone Wars series for all of growing up. So like I've always had Star Wars, and now it's there's how many shows? I've never not had a time of Star Wars content coming out.

Lou 10:27

Yeah,

Modern Star Wars And The Grogu Problem

Lou 10:28

see, and that's what's cool about it, man, because there's there's there's always something. You know what I mean? There's always something of Star Wars coming out that's giving you, like when Ahsoka came out, I lost it. I was like, this is beautiful. Because again, following Anakin, right, knowing how he became, how he was looking at the dark side, how all the things that were going on in his life, like I said, with animations, within the animations for then, and how he was with Ahsoka. And then, you know, Ahsoka, you know, they just kind of like kicked it to the curb. You know what I'm saying? This guy out there gonna start moving shit with the force over there. No, no, but you know, and like I said, that it's freaking amazing. Then they do the live action, you know, like I said, between the the animations and then the live action of Ahsoka, dude. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, bro. I wish she would have stayed with Grogu. I think I wish she would have had him a little bit longer for the show. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 11:19

What do you mean?

Lou 11:21

No, no, I meant on the Ahsoka show. Yeah, you know what I mean? I think that Grogu is going to need a little bit of everybody, if that makes any sense. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Because of how powerful we're assuming that he's going to be. So I think he should have some of the trainings from Ahsoka, you know. He's already got the parental or the father figure, Mandalorian. You know what I'm saying? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Yeah, no, it like it kills me the the handling, the handling of Grogu as a character. Yeah. Kills me because it's just like the every time an important decision needs to be made for him that will actually like lead him down the right path and a and a good, interesting direction, they like strip it away so quickly. Just and it's just happenstance. It's it's part of the story, I understand it, but it's like it's so killer that there is yet another, as far as all of the extended universe stories go, there is yet another force wielder that is still out there somewhere, even after everything that has been said and done, and uh they they do so so little with him when they're when they're few and far at the point in time, at that point in time in the story. Wait, who are you talking about? I'm talking about Grogu and just force users across the board at the point in time in which the Mandalorian is happening.

Lou 12:34

Almost none left. Right. Because I mean, think about it. You have Ray, right? Then you look at what was going on with um with her dealing with Luke, her starting to turn around and find that she's got the force. Now another story coming around. The young kids is what I wanted to say. You know, you got all the youngins coming around, and the youngins are actually stepping up. They're starting to embrace that they have the force, you know. I was gonna start a whole new storyline. Star Wars can go on and for another probably like another fifty fifty years. It can go on forever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

You know, I mean it, yeah, they will they will always have a way to bring it back around. But um but it's still yeah, no, it's it's interesting because there is, because of all the extended universe stuff that there is, there is quite a few like force users, wielders still out and about at the whole time between episode three um and the original trilogy, as well as after the original trilogy into the sequels. There's force like there's a there's a handful here and there, but there's there is some, and uh Grogu is one of them, but he's like the least impactful, strangely. Yeah, yeah. And that's the crazy part, because he's more of a klutz. No, no, no, no. It's also like the whole, like, all right, it's a baby, and it's a baby for a long time. Yeah. There's only so much you could do with that. And then also it's a bit of the story is not centered around that character, and so it only gets to him so much, and they only really tap into it so much. But it is just kind of crazy that he is another of very, very few force wielders that are out there that has almost nothing going on with him. Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

As of right now. As of right now. And again, yeah, a movie just came out, so we'd have to go and see that.

Lou 14:23

Right. So then let's see the next thing that they do is fast forwarding him to let's say uh what we would consider adulthood. Right. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Then now he's doing no idea how long that takes for them. Right. That's what I'm saying. Because you know, think about it. Well, how long do they age? Well, he's he's said a word. He's fifty years old. I'm sorry, five. That baby is fifty something years old. Yeah, that's in human years or something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:46

Yeah. Well, he's considered an infant still. Right. In his world or where he's from.

Lou 14:51

Right. And that's what I'm saying. So then if he's fifty years now and he's at and he's where he is, do they fast forward to where, like I said, that he's gonna actually be able to speak, you know, that he's gonna use the force a little bit better. I still want to see, like I said, who's gonna be if if Luke is gonna train him, how Luke is gonna train him. You know what I mean? They created a challenge for themselves by making him the same species as Yoda. Right, exactly. And that's why I'm saying, that's why for me, I think that if it was Ahsoka to have him for a little bit, you know what I mean? Her then end up meeting up with uh Luke, you know, they kind of training him together, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Well, I mean, we got we got a glimpse of that, right, in the show. That that short what was that? I think a single episode situation where they were actually training him, where they were both there with him. Right, but she wasn't really that's what I'm saying, how long she was very passive about it. Luke was actually doing the training. Yeah. It never actually that's what I'm saying. Like it never actually fully clicked. Yeah. Where they'd actually like get him some training and some development.

Lou 15:54

And and then that's what I'm saying. So now, in your opinion, Justin, who would that be? Who do you think it should be from who we have left, I guess?

SPEAKER_01 16:01

I think Ahsoka would be really cool. I don't know how long her species lives. Right. I don't know if they have a like extended life like some species do. So they again might have created a timeline challenge for themselves there by making him the same species as Yoda. I would love to see, I would love to see Ahsoka, but there's also a few other people that are out there that could be helping him. My personal one that also super, super should have been in the Ahsoka series probably. Calchestus from the Jedi Fallen Order games. Yeah, yeah. Into the video games, yeah.

Tom 16:35

There's so much you can get into.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

And those uh that's all taking place at the like same time, a little bit ahead. Right. Nearly the same time as the Mandalorian stuff is happening.

Tom 16:48

Yeah, like they're around. Right. You know what I mean? Like they're alive at that time, you know?

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Yeah, again, few and far, but there are a few out there that they just haven't used because it either because they're from Extended Universe stuff that they just want to keep Extended Universe, or because they just haven't fully thought to and want to stick to their main, you know, their staple characters. It does, it obviously with any sort of fiction, it gets muddled down when there's absurd amount of people and there's a lot to follow already. So they may be trying to avoid that in some ways. But I think there's some really cool people out there they could be using, and Calcast is certainly one of them.

Bringing Games Comics And Animation In

Tom 17:25

Yeah, definitely, definitely, especially from the video games.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

And there was like so many points in time in the Ahsoka series where it would have been like so okay for him to be there. Right.

Lou 17:34

That's what I'm saying. You know, and and even still like so and I I've never read the comics or any of the graphic novel stuff, anything like that. You know, so I know that there's a lot of things that are a lot of fillers, I guess we'll say, in the uh in the written uh version of Star Wars.

SPEAKER_03 17:50

It was its own comic in a sense.

Lou 17:51

Right. Yeah, yeah. No, no, it really was. It was. Right. That then I would like for them to bring some of those comics to life. You know, I just because like we're saying now, just like on the on the I remember those.

SPEAKER_03 18:03

Yeah.

Lou 18:04

You know, and that would be fan fuck fantastic, bro, if they actually, you know, they made some of those into the I mean the animations, like anything else, animations are easier to um sell, if that makes any sense. You know, so for them to be able to just draw the stuff up, you know, and and put that out there, put that story there. Are there different styles of drawings or or car uh cartoons? Well, yeah, now because everything is evolved.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

But a lot of people, yeah, there's I mean, there's so there's the uh dear, I can't remember what the name of it is, but there was a small mini-series of little like individual Star Wars stories that were all done in different animation art styles. Right. Oh cool. Those are all incredible, by the way. Like they're they're so not canon, most of them, but like they're really, really good. Yeah. And it competes. And then you also have like the Clone Wars style 3D animation series, that very specific chalky art style that they chose for the 3D series. Personally love it because I grew up with it. But it's like, I know it's a huge eyesore to some people the way that it looks, but by the later seasons of it, it was like kind of crude at first. By the later seasons of Clone Wars, though, it's some of the most beautiful animation. Yeah. And also, I know we were talking about some of the best battles before being in episode three. I think probably the only contender for maybe the other best lightsaber fight is Ahsoka versus Darth Maul at the end of the Clone Wars series. Thank you, bro.

Lou 19:33

Was that not amazing? Oh, bro, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

You would you would freak out at how good it was. Also, that's another thing, too. Darth Maul, still alive, super present in the Clone War series, you see him constantly. So good.

Lou 19:46

Yeah, say it again, Justin. Sorry. He's still alive. Yeah, you see him all the time. Yeah. Right, right, right. And that's the that's what's crazy about it, man. You know, Darth Maul, now that they they've got the show and everything now, watching him, you know, come back because he was he lost it. Right. You know, he was crazy. He his mind was gone.

Tom 20:04

You know, you're talking about like when when they when in like the Clone Wars. Yeah. Right, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

Lou 20:09

He lost it. He's coming back from the you know, the brink of just animal. You know what I mean? Right now. And, you know, just his story alone is another great, that would be an amazing series to see. Right, right. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Well, it actually it just got it just got one.

Lou 20:22

Well, no, no, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, to see it now, like, you know, that was yeah, I'm sorry, I worded it wrong. But yeah, bro, like just for him to do that, that shit is fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Yeah, I still I still I haven't even partaken in the Maul series yet, which is honestly a crime because he's probably one of my favorite characters really and again, biased, because I grew up with Clone Wars. Right. Darth Maul, probably one of my favorite characters. Something that people who only watch the movies would never say. He's a guy that's in the one movie, and he's kind of strange, and he doesn't really talk a lot, and he doesn't really make a lot of sense in the first movie. However, Clone Wars does him an absolute justice and turns him into like a victim of the Sith.

Lou 21:01

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, it had to because in the and all the animation. Yeah, because in the animations they show where he came from. You know what I'm saying? And the witches making him or you know, putting him down.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Okay. And then Darth City is sort of almost buying him off of them. Right as like this dark magic super soldier that they created for him, potentially. Right. And then also obviously the like the fall of the plan, the foil of everything. The the what you would think is executed. He survives, it's a miserable experience for him. He still contends with Obi-Wan and Anakin a couple more times in the series. Things that you'll you would never see. I almost wish that somewhere in episode two they had snuck in that they were still having encounters with Darthmall. Right. Because that's something that is just straight up not in episode two and three at all. All because they were considering him dead. That the Clone Wars just does over and over again. He's very, again, very, very prominent.

Lou 22:07

Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

What are you gonna say, Lou?

Lou 22:09

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

I'm agreeing with you guys. Yeah, yeah.

Lou 22:17

You know? Oh my god, yeah. I loved Bad Batch. I'm still upset, man. They need to bring it back. I should stop watching it. How many seasons are in that?

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Bad Batch was I think was it three seasons or four? I need to watch the second one again. Yeah, no, yeah. I mean, the first episodes usually have a really, really good recap. You could probably get away with just starting at season three.

Lou 22:40

Yeah, yeah. The next year. That's right. Yeah, the season goes to just watch they go to season three in the beginning of it and then it'll tell you. I'm virtual that shit.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

For me personally, when someone doesn't have like they're never gonna have the time to watch all of the Clone Wars, I tell them, watch the final season. Right. It's the best the best animation, it's the most pertinent to the story because it's so, so closely attached to episode three that it's like you can get the gist of what you truly need from the Clone Wars series by just watching that final season because it ties so so directly to episode three. All right.

The “Do It” Moment Explained

Tom 23:14

So I what do want to get us back on the rails. We're going really off the rails. Episode strolling that's we kind of all did it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

No, I didn't want to get us back into the episode.

Tom 23:26

Anyways, let's let's go let's jump back into the Count Doo Goo scene, right? Right. There's a lot we can talk about. Anyway, so uh I thought Christopher Lee did of course Christopher Lee did an amazing job. But um I think so I think you know that famous part is when you really get to see Palpatine bleed through is that scene when he does the famous yeah. So what do you guys think about that scene? We talk about that a little bit, you know? That scene when he tells him to chop to to kill him?

Lou 23:55

Yeah, kill him. Yeah, kill him now. That was good. You did that shit really well, though. I do every time I watch him kill him. Kill him now everything, man.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

Like, do it, do it.

Tom 24:06

I would do that too. Good Anakin, good. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

You think that he could have turned around right there and did it to him if he wanted to? Like, in other words, if Anakin knew that this Sith was playing him, he could easily fuck a taken that guy.

Tom 24:19

I guarantee I guarantee you he's got contingencies, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

I would uh think he, even there in that seat imprisoned, was totally playing a wolf in sheep's clothing. Yeah. Yeah. If he tried to swing at him, he probably would have like locked his body in place. Right. Yeah. Yeah, or would have done something. Yeah, yeah. You gotta remember at that point, still nobody knows that he's Sidious. Right, exactly. And again, in the Clone Wars, during that whole span of time, he is destroying people as Sidious in the behind the scenes. Exactly.

Tom 24:55

Yeah. Yeah. Totally destroying people. He's he's got he's very powerful.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

He takes on Darth Maul and Darth Maul's brother at the same time and treats them like children. Yeah.

Lou 25:04

Safaj. Smacking them around. Yeah, that's only a crazy film. But you know, and you know what's crazy is that everything that he did, like he really seriously, he thought a long time of how he was just gonna play, you know, just play everybody. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 25:17

And that's mostly because of deep lore that exists way before him. The creation of the rule of two for the Sith was like kind of the worst thing that ever happened to them because it made it less about having the numbers to like let darkness network itself out into the galaxy, and instead just making it about the rule of two, you're incredibly, incredibly covert, and you're gonna do everything that you can to meddle with the world until the moment that it's most necessary. And he did it.

Tom 25:50

He f however, he did it. And he got and he got Anakin to uh cross that boundary, you know, and I crossing the moral lines by doing the, you know, to do it and where he just slices Count Dooku's head right off. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

And back to your original question too, of like Shape How when you did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Say it again, Justin. Back to the original question you're saying of like how that scene is portrayed. Personally, I love it because I think that the most Sith-like moments for a lot of Sith are the moments where they react and act sort of like a cornered animal. If that makes sense. You know, like he goes from being common coy and like passive and sort of like sheltered to all of a sudden, you know, do it. And it's almost like a bite. Right. And it happens constantly. It's it's a very like they're they're very reactionary in a way that makes total sense for a Sith.

Lou 26:47

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. I didn't think about it, so you just said so. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 26:50

Yeah, only a Sith would think it. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou 26:54

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

That's weird. I didn't even think about it, bro. So you just said it. Yeah. It's a very, like, I think that the dark side overall is interpret interpreted very well in its own, you know, in its own fiction. It's it's so like coarse all the time. Like being a Sith just it's constantly it always seems so uncomfortable. Right. It seems like like living in anxiety and just being incredibly like reactionary, like like something that's covered in a rash almost. And they portray it like that all the time so so well.

Tom 27:27

Living in a state of paranoia, too. Absolutely. If you're the a backstabber, you have to be paranoid. Right. Because you're because it you it's your type of thinking. Like if you're a backstabber type, like like like like he is, yeah, like he's gotta be thinking the same way. Like who's doing that to him, you know, that kind of thing. And you know what's one of the coolest parts about that scene that I I I love is because Christopher Lee like fucking nails that fucking scene is when after he says do it, and you just see like Christopher Lee's face, he's like, Yeah, yeah. Like he realizes fuck, I'm expendable. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Yeah, he didn't he didn't realize that the rule of two is interchangeable. Yeah, yeah.

Lou 28:09

He's like, I think I've gotten taken out. Because he didn't think he was gonna be the the one of the two to be kicked out of the club.

Tom 28:16

And he was a Jedi, so he knows he goes, Oh, fuck, this guy's breaking Jedi. He's yeah, he's getting Anakin to break the Jedi and needs to kill me. Uh he's next. Yeah. He knew it right away.

Lou 28:25

Yeah, fuck. He should abduct though, bro. Fuck around. He should adduct. I believe that there is all out.

Tom 28:32

He was like, oh, you've chosen one, Anakin. He's green in life.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

Right. When you think about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

I believe that there's a very on-the-nose comment from Count Dooku in the Clone Wars series. I'm trying to remember exactly what it is, but I believe he does make a comment about Maul at some point where he's like, he says something along the lines of that would never happen to me. Right. Yeah. And it's just a very little, like a short little on-the-nos moment that they put in there. Right.

Lou 29:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Done. Yeah.

Lou 29:02

I remember that. I know you're talking about. Yeah. No, no, he's going to die. Well, because he didn't think he was going to die. He thought that he was still going to be.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

No, he truly thought that him and Sith, like they had it on lock. There's also a an extra, I think Star Wars Legends episode about the exact moment in which Dooku becomes a Sith.

Tom 29:22

Yeah, they have that in um that show. That uh animated.

Lou 29:26

That was Legends, right? Legends, right. Yeah, yeah.

Tom 29:28

Legends.

Lou 29:28

Yeah, it was like the shorts.

Tom 29:29

That was a meaning.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Because Legends was in the Clone Wars animation, but it was just some small, small stuff.

Tom 29:36

It is canon, though, right? It's not legends.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Yeah. I believe I believe the Legends stuff was the canon stuff. Or is Legends the um the anime?

Tom 29:44

But the legends, they call legends like the stuff that's not canon. Different productions. What's his name? He had like a wife. Luke Skywalker had a wife and all that. Oh, okay. That's all legends. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

It's uh it's Star Wars Visions, is the is the anime ones that are definitely talking about visions. Legends is the one that's actually true stories that are in the Clone Wars animation style.

Tom 30:13

But um yeah, Visions, that's the one I think you're talking about, right? Where it had um Count Dooku becoming Count Dooku, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Yes, it's uh I believe if I'm remembering correctly, it is the moment in which Sidious sends him on a mission to kill a Jedi.

Tom 30:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it, got it, got it.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Yeah. We we we did the Count Dooku thing. There was um there was one more thing I think you you wanted to bring up. I'm trying to remember what it was.

Tom 30:38

Yeah, I have a whole list of Yeah, he's got a whole bunch of stuff.

Lou 30:40

Yeah, that's what we're rounding off of what he brings in. Yeah, what's the next one then? No, but seriously, man, you know, you think about all the stuff that that uh Dooku had to go through, you know? But I'm just saying he was the calmest one, he was the coolest one. He was pretty he was slight because he was the older and he knew when to take seasons. Sent everybody else, and then he'd just dip off into the background. He'd do his thing and then he'd be out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

They also they show you a little bit of him as a Jedi in that legends series. Yes, I did. Is it in that? I think it's in that small series of episodes. That was it a single episode or two episodes? I think it was two episodes, bro. I think it was a two-parter. Right. And uh the first part of it, you get a bit of him as a Jedi, and he's actually strangely pretty similar to how he is as a Sith. He's like a very like he's almost like uh Snake Harry Potter. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like a very like slick, uh cold sort of teacher.

Lou 31:39

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy, man. It's so wild. And then that he just fucking flipped.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

Yeah, yeah. I forget, I forget most of the conversation that he ends up having with that Jedi, but they end up I mean, they're fighting while they're doing it, but they end up having having a a pretty interesting conversation where she's trying to probe him on why the whole time. And I can't remember the exact words that they said, but he brings up a bunch of stuff that Sidious sort of infected him with in a way that he did super similarly to Anakin.

Lou 32:11

Got it. Got it, got it, got it.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

Claims of extra abilities, powers, the ability to take control of things more in his life.

Tom 32:19

Beat him in the

Jedi Council Snub And Training What Ifs

Tom 32:20

head. Okay, so that's where I want to talk about. You guys are all right going back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so forward. The next part is, you know, them um after he uh s allegedly saves the Chancellor Palpatine, you know, as we know, it's all a ruse, you know, he asks him to be his personal guard, which means he has to be on this, you know, on the Jedi Council. And right away, Anakin's like, oh, I guess I gotta make me master to be on Jedi Council. Right. And then that whole scene, how they say, you know, you're on the Jedi Council, but we do not grant you master. And he just goes, This is, you know, this is preposterous. I don't know what he says. This is me. He's flashing me. Whatever. He loses his shit, right? And uh that whole scene, you know, they is is the you know, they they have this whole distrust for tourism, right? They have like, you know, there's like and the whole problem with Anakin is they, you know, they uh he's emotional isolation, hypocrisy, you know, war, you know, all that stuff's going on, you know, and he's uh he's like, you know, he's technically a young kid. You know, I I don't know how old he is in that point. He was like in his kid. So like all this shit's happening to him, you know, and and and they they have this whole distrust towards him. So like, you know, so what do you guys think about that scene?

Lou 33:26

Well, I don't think that it was distrust. I think that they knew he was too young. Yeah, but they felt something, but they couldn't say what even Yoda didn't.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

They knew what it was. I think they felt the dark side of the thing. Didn't Yoda say something in reference to it? But that's what we had said before. But we said before.

Lou 33:42

Or was it distrust? No, we already knew that they were unsure because of what we believe his um who his teacher was. You know what I'm saying? But then he didn't have that, he didn't even he wasn't up to part he wasn't up to be a master get. His skills weren't there, you know what I'm saying, as a whole. No, he wasn't he wasn't able to do it. That's why.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Right. It was it was also in part, and they and again, they hit on this a lot in Clone Wars. Arrogant tactics is like a very big thing for him. Just like brute forcing through stuff all the time in Clone Wars, it's super prominent. He does it all the time and then constantly gets scolded for it. Right. So it's like they provide more of the means for it to make sense, but it does completely make sense. Like you're supposed to be essentially a a lieutenant in an army doing like the most brash tactics imaginable a lot of the time. Right. And then like saying, Well, it's fine because look, we did it. Right all the time. Yeah, yeah. No, I do think he needed to sit back a little bit. You know what I mean? Not to do that. Also, just to fact check real quick, he's 22 years old in episode 22. 22. Yeah, see, I would have been that stupid.

Lou 34:59

Well, again though, you know, how old are you, Justin? About to be twenty-eight. Yeah. But I'm saying, but see, here's the thing. We have to remember though, say, oh, I we wouldn't have been that stupid, but look at our upbringing. Right. So that then for him, that's what we has also said before, you know, in our other show, that if Mace Window would have been the one to uh to to be his master, he would have been trained to have been trained differently, he would have been taught different things.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

Yeah.

Lou 35:25

Obi-Wan still did a great job. No, but I get it. But it's not a good thing. Obi-Wan does do a great job, yeah. It's true. Right. No, no, but I'm saying as far as Anakin is concerned, right, and what we knew his powers to be. Right, because Obi-Wan was the great, he was a good nurturer. You know what I'm saying? He spoke to him, he was the mommy figure. I'm saying it like that. What? I meet you outside, whatever. He is that he was that that nice guy, the nice teacher. He needed Mace to be that that structure. Bro, you can't do this. No, that's not how we do it. Yes, we're gonna go kick in the door, but we're gonna wait a second before we kick in that fucking door. Calm your ass down, motherfucker. Right? Because Mace might be.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

I think what like to what you're saying, to what you mean, Obi-Wan is an incredible teacher and an incredible like caregiver for pupils. Yes, just in general. And father figure and brother figure. Yep. However, someone like Mace is probably what Anakin needed. Mm-hmm. If you know, if it was if we're if we're gonna do the what if someone like Mace would have been incredible for him, would it maybe have potentially ended up with the same fate just in a different way? Also, maybe. Nah. I don't think you don't think so? Nah. Because my and the only reason that I say that is because there's a lot of talk and sort of nuanced theory around Mace being somewhere between the lines. Right in between.

Lou 36:50

Exactly. Yeah, and that's why I say Which is good, I think. Right, but that's what I'm saying. That's why Anakin wouldn't it wouldn't have been the same outcome. Anakin would have been. Well, right, but Anakin could have, like I said, Anakin would have been able to turn around and you know, you still use his brute force, you know what I'm saying? Still be that, you know, just to have that. It's the same uh the arrogance would have looked different, you know? He would have known he could have like I I still say structure would have been different. Yeah. I still say Mace is alive and I'm waiting for that to come out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

That would be in something potentially if you're I mean look. Like I think.

Lou 37:26

Even if they do an animation, it would be awesome. Yeah. Because I think he's gonna come out and it's gonna be around Ahsoka. If they turn around and they bring him back, it's gonna be Ahsoka to turn around because of how she's traveling.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

He doesn't know.

Lou 37:38

But that's from that right. But she knows who he is. Right. So she's gonna end up I I that's how I would write the story.

Tom 37:44

So the

The Case For Mace Windu’s Return

Tom 37:45

other thing is, is if you watch and I keep I know we bring it back to the Clone Wars all the time, but like if you watch the Clone Wars, you would see that like he was notorious for like doing like high jumps. He was like a high jumper. I don't know why. Like out of other like like Star Wars characters, for some reason he was doing these like high jumps off of cliffs and stuff like that. With the mummies, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

Yeah, so he had this thing with like the superhero landings were his jam.

Tom 38:11

Yeah, yeah. For some reason, exactly. So it's not it wouldn't be so absurd to see him like maybe like maybe lose his conscience, but then like maybe catch his balance and like do like land on something on a vehicle.

Lou 38:24

On another vehicle, yeah, like kind of bounce from vehicle to vehicle, you know. Yeah, he's gotta be alive. Yeah. Like I'm just saying. There's no way. It would it's just no. Yeah, no, I'm with you. And and I think that that's what it would I think him coming in uh on an Ahsoka series is what where we would find him. That would open the door for the yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:43

That's what I'm talking about. That's what's so great about the universe. It just keeps expanding because there's so many billions.

Lou 38:51

No. No, no, no. What was he when so when Ahsoka became a thing?

SPEAKER_03 38:56

You don't do it now, you do it. What was he doing then and how did he get his mummy back? That whole story right there. And then when he falls off that when he gets out the window, and then you just talk. That's what I'm saying. For my day, that's what I mean.

Tom 39:06

Yeah, I even got a better This would fuck with everybody. Go ahead. In Ahsoka 2. They do one of those, you know when they do one of those episodes, people call them filler episodes, where they do it like a backstory episode that's nothing to do with the continuity of the dark stories. Right. So like they do like a like where Ahsoka, like in between the time in between, like Clone Wars and Rebels or whatever, or Clone Wars and Episode 4 or whatever, because that's a big, big gap, right? Right. She s she meets with meets him and like he's living off on his own or something like that, and sh something happens, and he's just like he's like keeping it a secret that he's like living, you know, and she he like trains her a little bit, and then the he just she leaves him and he just is living off on his own on like some you know what I mean. And like and it would be like a backstory. So it would go be like a flashback of her and him, like afterwards. Right. But personal, it happens with that character pretty much.

Lou 40:03

Yeah. Well what was it? What was it, where was it that he that uh Ahsoka was on the run?

SPEAKER_01 40:08

Which part of what animation that she that would be like just the very final season. Yeah, because it takes place at the same time as episode three. So in the middle of the final season of Clone Wars, uh Order 66 happens. Yeah. Also to her. But she's on a she's on a separate Star Cruiser, not with anyone in it.

Lou 40:26

So that's what I'm saying. So that then at the end of that is where like if they would turn around and do another season because she's still on the run.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Well, it's like I I I understand what Kenny's saying. There is a very large gap. The end of season six to is there's a huge, huge difference. Yeah, there's um there's a very large gap. From the time that we see her in Rebels with the with the white sabers that we see her with, yeah, to where we see her completely on the run at a crashed ship, yeah. At the very end of the Clone Wars series, yeah, there's a there's a bunch of time where we don't know what she was doing. Mm-hmm.

Lou 41:03

And that's what I'm saying. I think in there would be because when she comes back, lightsabers of different colors, you know what I'm saying? Her skills are like fucking insane. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like now she's really good, you know, she's a lot calmer. You know what I mean? Yeah, she's becoming like a exactly right. So that then now if we would say that it would be in that space that she ends up meeting Mace. Right, bro. We just wrote the story again. We got another anime for the for and millions of other people.

SPEAKER_03 41:34

And Jackson said he would be it's crazy how everybody thinks something. He would be down to do an episode.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

He'll he'll be down for the rest of forever to to do more of that character.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

And you know, you could do an animation with him, right?

Tom 41:48

And even if they don't want to bring him back to life, they could do flashback episodes with him.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

Yeah. Easily. Easily now you have a story about him. What's his like how did he get how did he get to?

Lou 42:00

Yeah, because even look, I mean, if you look at it even Ahsoka's thing, you know, or uh all the bouncing around that they did with her storyline. Yeah. You know what I mean? Hell yeah, it's easy to do that shit for uh you know, for Mace. You know what I mean? Yeah. I like that she fights with the two. That's what I'm saying, dude. Yeah. And then she's doing that intergalactic uh travel now. And the show she was, you know, when she went into the whales. Oh, yeah.

Tom 42:23

So

Padmé’s Nightmares And Sith Manipulation

Tom 42:24

back to episode three. Yeah. Steering the ship. Yes, all right. So yeah. So yeah, so also what's happening with Anakin during episode three is, you know, you have Pat Pat May and the fear of loss. You know, we you remember he was having those dreams. Right. Now, which there is a theory, there's a plausible theory that Palpatine, Lord Sidious, Dar Sidious, was using Sith Alchemy to plant those dreams. Yes in Anakin. Right, gotcha. So they were screwing with his because they were using Sith Alchemy in in in the Clone Wars again. I know bring back to Clone Wars. He was using Sith Alchemy with uh Count Ducku. They were had some like fucking cauldron going and they were doing some kind of witchcraft type shit, but it's considered Sith Alchemy. So like he could have done some kind of Sith alchemy to plant those dreams into Anakin and put the fear in him. And you know, he's going through that whole thing, and you know, he's lost his mother. You know, he says he has my mares about he had my mares about losing his mother, and then he lost his mother. So like he's worried shit's gonna happen, you know what I mean? You know, uh Anakin wasn't seduced by power first, he was seduced by the promise that he wouldn't lose someone again. Right with the whole thing with Palpatine. Right, right. You know, yeah. And that's why I'm that's man, this is Well, we can jump into that next, but let's talk a little bit about this, you know, with with the you know which part about like him fear losing Padme and it was the dreams, it was just putting those little things in.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

Yeah, right. Yeah, and I get that goes back to what I was saying too about like incredibly, incredibly human experience. Right. She's you're being told that she's super likely to die, um, and there's a singular option that's going to let You keep her alive. Also, that same option doesn't like the fact that you're not actually allowed to be with her. So why not help that guy? Yeah. Because I don't think Anakin was really gonna leave the Jedi. You know what I mean? I don't think he would have to be. He had no intention. He would not have. In his heart of hearts, he was a very, very good Jedi knight. Yes. Right. However, and this is where I kind of like the overarching story of it is a little bit strange for me. Love is sort of the plague, you know? Like it's a very that's the part that I struggle with the most. That like in this story specifically, the fact that he's in love is such a plague on the whole rest of his existence.

Lou 44:42

Right.

SPEAKER_03 44:43

He's not supposed to be.

Lou 44:44

He's not sure. Right. But I don't think that but that's why I think that if he was able well, again, he if he didn't have those dreams, you know, the nightmares like that, right? That then he would have been an amazing, he would have been a super strong Jedi. And now, because of love.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Somebody was messing with his mind. And also, yeah, who's not to say that that wasn't insidious from very, very far away doing that to him. Right. That's something that is explored in other Sith Lords from the times far before him. Right. I mean, there's literally a guy that was like famous for taking the life from planets. So Yeah.

Lou 45:21

Right.

Tom 45:21

Yeah. Was that was that was that Tenebris or no, that wasn't tenebris. I can't remember which one exactly.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

The the one that they call like the world eater or something. Well, I know who you're talking about. Oh my god.

Tom 45:32

Oh my god. He was like uh he was a nightmarish looking.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Yeah, nightmare, like so so I believe it's Darth Nihilis. Yes, yes, that's who he was. I know Lou's giving me like you guys are on another fucking realm. This is totally yeah, no, this is like deep, yeah. I think I think he was pre-old republic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou 45:52

Yeah. Right. That was too right. But that's what I'm saying. That's that was the stuff in the comic books that I didn't read because before the rule of the two and all that. Right.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

Yeah, it's way before the rule of two. He was, I believe, when he was around, there was still hundreds of Sith.

Lou 46:04

Yeah. And that was the whole shit, man. That's why.

Old Republic Hopes And Acolyte Debate

Lou 46:09

They can do so many different stories.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

That would be amazing. I I think it's uh I think it's a majorly missed opportunity that we don't have something that's actually set in the old republic.

Tom 46:18

Yeah, I I I think the biggest mistake was them. I I mean, I a lot of people didn't like this Acolyte series. I liked it. I thought it was a lot of it. I still have to fully watch it. Oh it's I it's it I don't like it and I like it at the same time. You know what I mean? I think they should have gone with Old Republic instead of High Republic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

That would have been The High Republic time is like it's a it's a cool and interesting time that they did in just the extended universe that covers a very large gap via books, but just for the people at home. Uh but it's also like a strange like time of mostly peace. Right. Yeah. So there's like kind of super not a lot going on during that time. It's basically a golden age for Jedi, which means that there's probably not a lot of bad happening. So the the the the story of the Acolyte is very choice and select. I liked it. I liked the idea of it though.

Lou 47:06

You know what I'm saying? I I I like that, I mean, I get it. It I and something and it's funny, so I'm gonna follow me, but please. But this is the only thing and the Star Wars I guess lineup that was the only thing that was able to deal with it being a standalone project. You know what I mean? True. I was cool with that. It's not like when I watch DC and I'm like, fuck Batman, he's a punk ass. Whoever's writing these things needs to get kicked in the teeth. I was okay with that standalone.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

Yeah, because it was in an it was something entirely new with people that you have no context on at all. Yeah. And that was kind of like the it was almost the same thing with the Mandalorian, except there are characters in it and attached to it that are incredibly important that we know very, very well.

Lou 47:53

Yeah, well, because we know that I mean, you said the the whole Mandalorian thing, that's where the clone started from. You know what I mean? So then to follow the Mandalorian thing, I don't think you would have been able to make it just to stand alone and it make it.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

No, there's no way it had to, it has to have the tie-ins of some of the key characters. It's yeah a little too on the nose to be completely separated. Right. I wanted to go into just one thing, but I it would be a bit of a skip ahead as far as the full story of episode three. There is

Fallen Angel Symbolism In The Duel

SPEAKER_01 48:26

this really fun shot of Anakin during the final duel that people put up against a very famous painting known as the Fallen Angel, and I believe I can pull it up right now on my own screen. Or on an extra screen.

SPEAKER_04 48:45

I gotta look, I gotta look at that.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

And of course, this is a famous painting of Lucifer. Right, I forgot about that.

unknown 48:52

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

Yes, it was a very, very choice and specific shot during the final duel when he's nearly about to kill LD Lan. Right.

Lou 49:01

Yeah, yeah. That's right. He was like that because he had the saber.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

Yeah. And I I can't tell because of the editing here, whether or not I'd have to go back and watch the actual true footage. I'm not sure if he actually has the same single tear falling down his face or not. Oh, I don't think so. I can't tell. He's kind of also sweaty in that scene. Because that's what I'm saying.

Tom 49:24

Yeah, I mean, I mean, there was a lot of lava. Yeah. It's pretty hot. It was hot on the mouth.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

It's probably like literally 150 degrees. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou 49:33

So I think it was load of sweat. Right.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Because they I mean that face if he was really crying, you know, crying or something. Yeah.

Tom 49:40

Or he was just like, it's really hot. Yeah, yeah. It's hard. Yeah, no one's no one's uh no one's complaining about the heat at all.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

No one's like making any like going a long life without a big fucking cave with a fucking lava.

Lou 49:52

Because they knew how to use the force. So they had AC and then it was cool. They were deflecting the heat.

SPEAKER_01 49:59

And then I believe this. My lightsaber has never there is there's one other shot that they they say is supposed to be like another jab at the same sort of thing, and it is I believe this guy right here. Another picture. There's another shot where he is doing a very similar situation.

Tom 50:19

Okay. Oh, yeah. That's that's before he goes into the Jedi. I believe that's directly after he goes into Jennifer.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

He was enraged in that one.

Lou 50:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

He was he was crying at the same time while he was.

Lou 50:34

Because he didn't like the idea that this is what he had to do to get to the next level.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

Yeah. You know? I would I again I'd have to go back. Um I'm not sure if this is before he walks in or after. I believe it is before, though, when he has like the the whole platoon of clones with him.

Tom 50:51

You know, I wonder in that scene. And I know we're jumping ahead too, yeah, but I wonder in that scene.

Final Thoughts And Sign Off

Lou 50:56

Thank you everybody for listening, watching, being here with us. Like, follow, subscribe, all that other good shit. Go where you should find your podcast. Anywhere you find, listen to podcasts, we're on the YouTube, all that good stuff. So love, peace, and hair grease. Live long and prosper, and use the dark side.