Revenge of the Sith Is Where Everything Falls Apart | Part 2 of 2

We walk through Revenge of the Sith as a chain of manipulations, starting with the opera scene and ending with the choices that make Mustafar inevitable. We connect film moments to Clone Wars context, lightsaber lore, and one dark theory about Padmé’s death. 
• the opera scene’s mood, framing, and why it feels like a trap 
• Palpatine’s Darth Plagueis story as targeted emotional leverage 
• the idea that Anakin’s nightmares are planted and timed 
• why we stay invested in Anakin and the people around him 
• Obi-Wan’s arc and the weight of that final reunion 
• Force sensitivity, midichlorians, and why training still matters 
• lightsaber forms, acrobatics, and why Yoda fights the way he does 
• beskar and the rare materials that can resist a lightsaber 
• Sidious revealing himself and why Windu can hold on 
• Sith glamour as masking, damage, and political cover 
• Old Republic as a missed opportunity and why animation works 
• Order 66 as programming, tragedy, and shock value 
• Mustafar as choreography, feints, and the meaning of “Don’t try it” 
• the theory that Sidious kills Padmé through the Force 
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The Eerie Opera And Plagueis

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Robert Studios. The opera scene. You know, when they're watching the um that that weird opera, the and is this now, this is the scene when he tells uh Anakin, the Darth Plagueist the wise. Do you remember that scene they're watching? They're watching the um Yeah. What is uh Oh I rem I remember. You know, it's just in like a they're in like an opera theater. Yeah, there's like if you watch, there's like dancers jumping in and out of these like floating blobs of water. I remember that. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, you got this weird atmosphere again with that like this, just like it sounds like so weird. Right. You got the weird music, the dialogue, and you know, the whole scene is a little eerie. So that's the scene when you know you start really learning about Palpatine's manipulations and how he's uh you know, he gives him that whole story about Darth Plague is the wise. The tragedy of Darth Plague is the wise. Yes, yes. He gives him that whole story in order to tell him to save, you know, people's lives. Now that's the other thing. These dreams he knows he's that's this that's where like they he's had to be planting those dreams in Arabic. Yeah because it's like it's again kind of on the nose the way that that happens, and then he immediately is in this very personal meeting with him. Right. Exactly. It's the timing is just too perfect. Right. And I and of course, major red flag in everyone's mind is supposed, if you're you know deeply well versed, is supposed to be the part where he says the tragedy of that's like a whoa, what do you mean? Right. Exactly, because you know he was he was the apprentice. That's the other thing, too, is he's oh, his apprentice killed him. Yeah, yeah. It's a self-report moment for him. Yeah. Exactly. Guess what? Yeah, yeah. Say you so a uh a bit of a Freudian slip from from Sidious there. Yeah, yeah, it's all right, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all fucking good, you know? Yeah. But yeah, that whole that whole scene, he's just uh he's manipulating Anakin and it's just like you can see the whole thing happening. Right. Unfolding right there. They do this cool thing in that scene too. It's it's very slight, but a lot of those shots slowly go in, even though it's panning back and forth between the two of them as they're having the conversation and you're seeing the gears turning. Every shot that goes back and forth between the two of them, it's slightly going in towards them, as though he's like creeping. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's what I'm saying, man. It I think that that last part of the move well, just those little scenes in the movies are are everybody held their breath. Well no, I'm saying, like everybody held their breath, like, oh shit, what's gonna say next? Don't say nothing. Wait, you know what I mean? And just no etiquette, don't do it. What the fuck is wrong with you, bro? He's playing you, you know what I mean? Like everybody's just yeah, just watching it happen. It's the most it's the most captivating episode. Like I think so. Act for act within itself. Yeah, and that's yeah, and that's what and I and again, that's why we were so vested in all of these characters. You know what I mean? Why it is we can watch, like I said before, standalone uh uh, you know, show on any one of the characters because they all had something to do with Anakin. Right. You know what I mean? Whether that they bought him a fucking soda or that, you know, he fought next to them. It it was that he just he had that presence with them, right? You know, and and like I said, we basically watched him grow up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just Anakin, not, you know, the actor. But we watched Anakin grow up, you know. It was that he has a crush on on Pad May, you know what I mean? And then now he's you know, they got a secret affair, and now he's getting, you know, having these dreams that we're sitting back, it's like, no, just fight the good fight, you're gonna be okay. And then, you know, in actuality we find out that it was, you know, these nightmares were were being dropped into his brain. Yeah. So you know what I mean? Yeah. And every sing and then, you know, now we say, think, we can think anyways. Every time we saw um, what's his face, sitting in the you know, in the corner, looking out into space, hood on, sitting in the cut, is because he was getting into somebody else's mind, reading minds, or you know, like just reading the room. Like, you know, he was using his ESP, you know what I mean, to to to really find out what's going on. That's why he was able to do everything he did, you know, just setting everything up. That motherfucker. You know what I mean? So while so while all this is going on, you also have Obi-Wan his story arc. Right. Because they do split up and it's kind of like the last time. There is a scene when it's like the last time Anakin and Obi-Wan's other. Yes, very important Clone War scene. Yes, sir. So they they finally see each other, right? And but but now you got Obi-Wan, he's on the hunt for Grievous. Yes. And he gets on planet, and I do want to mention something that really it's a pep pee vaping. Because it's it's no, but because they did it right in Revenge of the Sith. The species that the Grand Inquisitor on is in that scene in the Revenge of the Sith. He's the one that's like, he's here, you know. Yes, when that's the same species as the Grand Inquisitor, and then they had that guy that looked like fucking Billy Corgan. You know what I mean? Right. No, you're right. They could have had him look just like that and just had the you know the markings. I don't know if they're tattoos or whatever, or he paints his face, but he had those markings, you know, the Grand Inquisitor on his head, and that's all they had to do. Right. But no, they had to change it. But anyway, but they get they get that scene, and that's and again, that's an important scene, and you know, that you can tell, like, you gotta understand, and and it it kind of shows you like he looks that's a very scary looking character, but that's just his species. Right. He's actually not a bad guy. He's like telling him. He looks intimidating. Yeah, he looks very scary. You're like, well, this guy's gonna be like protect you think he's gonna be like you think he's gonna be like when he's like, oh no, we're fine here. He's like, oh, he's protecting him. Look at that guy's such a villain. Look at him look at that

Dreams As A Weapon

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guy's a villain. He's like, he's a bad guy. He's like, oh, he's not a bad guy. You know what I mean? And that's why, like, even with Chewbacca, we use Chewaka as an example. You know what I mean? Everybody looks at Chewbacca like, oh shit, he's scary. And meanwhile, he's like, Can I have a you know cupcake? Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, oh, he's wondering, yeah, shut up, Chewie. You know what I mean? Han Solo talking to him the way he did, you know, get out of here, you furball, you know what I mean? You know, that then that's you know, why so many characters? It's just crazy. I think I just bug out with how many characters, strong characters that there are, you know, species that they were, and nobody saw this shit coming. You know what I mean? There's a, I believe. There's a Wookiee Jedi in the Clone Wars, too. Yes, there is. Yes, there is. Yeah, there's a small arc of younglings where one of the younglings was a Wookiee. Yes. Yeah. I I recalled that. Yeah. They were getting their crystals for their lightsabers. Yes, sir. Yes, they were. That's right. And also in the acolyte, there's uh like a another Wookiee. There is again a Jedi. Like a like a full-grown Wookiee, not a baby Wookiee. Right. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's weird. A Wookiee Jedi. Yeah. Well, again, because the the force is in everyone. Yeah. Well, it's in everything. If you allow yourself to feel the force, correct? Well, no, because uh the metaclorians. I I know that that's a that uh we can get in debate. We can get in debate. I'd like to get just being able to get in. I know. Because they changed that shit because it was because like it was like, you know, and they were talking about Metaclorians, and then others are saying, well, anybody can channel the force. You know, I'm the one with the force. The force is one with the force. Right. Or if you're a or if you're a Sith, uh what is it? I master the force or the force uh the force obeys me or something like that. Yes, yeah. Right. Well, wait, because see now he is the remember in Finn. Finn was raised homeboy, right? E, they thought that he had the force. He could use it a little bit, but not Jedi worthy. He wasn't trained. Didn't matter. He still couldn't use the force the same way. No, no, I didn't mean that. I meant like he didn't get any kind of skills. Oh, right, right, yeah. Because his metacoran count wasn't to what he needed to be to be able to see. Anyone could use the force, but it's like, oh, you could move like something really Right, yeah. Like, you know, you could turn around and, you know, move that cup across the table. Yeah, right. Save it. Yeah. You know, like that's why when he was fighting um with the lightsaber, you know what I'm saying? He could only do but so much. He couldn't turn around and lift his hand and you know, and stop, you know, whatever and catch rustles. Think of that scene we were talking about the other night. Last time we spoke about snow, it's not the other night, but two nights, two weeks or nights of the city. Right. Um when Yoda just opens his thing and grabs the lightsaber with the force. Yeah. Right, exactly. But then and the way that he was hopping around wasn't because he was athletic. You know what I'm saying? It was the force he was able to use to toss himself around. You know what I mean? Yeah. The Metaclorin count was there's um in the uh in the battlefront games, which are the Star Wars games, um, when whenever you play as Yoda in the most recent one, even though it's third person, so the camera's behind Yoda, right? Whenever he takes out his lightsaber, from behind, you see him move the cloak and then he grabs it with the other hand. Oh, okay, okay. That's awesome. That's sweet, man. Yeah. Yeah, that's fucking awesome. But that's actually a that's actually a specific lightsaber form. That one I don't know what that one is. It is the one that shows you that I'm super, super force essentially. Yeah, exactly, because it's all force-heavy with acrobatics. Yes. Very acrobatically. I guess it's supposed to, you know, be harder to hit, you know. I guess that's the whole purpose of it. So you're you're moving quick and it's hard to hit. I also believe it's one of the only martial art. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe it's also one of the only forms uh for light side forms that uh allows throwing. Okay. Because he and they show that not only in the Clone Wars a bunch, but also in the actual movies. When he's fighting those clones, at one point he throws it straight through a clone. That's right. Yeah. Lightsaber. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He like zinc and he tosses it and he's like Yeah. He like cut through a couple of them. He did his little thing. Usually Sith do that kind of shit. Right. That is supposed to be, yeah, that's more of a Sith. I guess that that lightsaber form is probably made to like assist like smaller people. Like they probably invented it for smaller species that are smaller than because imagine if anybody could be a Sith. What about those, because uh with those, you know, the not Sith, if anybody could be Use the Force. Anybody could be a Jedi. Good or bad. Any species if if they're just you know could be a Jedi, right? Can you imagine what are those little creatures from the Mandalorian that like repair things? Yeah. Imagine if one of the Jawas. Yeah. If one of those was a force wielder. What are they called, Justin? Jawas. Yeah, Jawas. No, not the Jawas. The ones that they're like the like mechanics. They're really short and they're like remember like the hoods with the eyes? No, no, not the hoods. No, not the hoods. The what they're like little mechanic guys. The ones that like Grogu was trying to eat. Like, ah, no, they mean no. Oh yeah, like the fact that one of those could yeah, they could be force sensitive. That would be insane. Yeah, yeah. They would but they would need to use the same lightsaber form as Yoda because they're too small to like the large. It would have to be in the So to me, that lightsaber form is the acrobatic one, is probably just designed for little people. Well, so listen, when you joined Little E, right? You got little shoulder pits. You got bigger shoulder pits. Well, wait, I think so, like Justin was saying, they're as big as his hand, right? So now, if do do all Jedi need to have a lightsaber, or could it be them, like their Jedi making you forced to build a few years? That is it's a staple requirement to be, I think, a Jedi knight, or maybe one step down from night. You have to have a lightsaber in order to be. Okay. And there is accounts in extended universe stuff and deep lore stuff of certain Jedi's

Obi-Wan’s Split And Clone Wars Links

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having like very specific lightsabers catered to them. In the Clone Wars, that same episode we were just talking about, where the Padawans go to get their crystals, that um that teacher that they're with, his lightsaber is a cane. It's his walking stick. That's right. I forgot it. They make them akin to whatever they need them to be. So, like for those little guys, it might be, you know, two little chopsticks for lightsabers, but or for them, because they're always fixing shit. It could have been the screwdriver or a hammer. Yeah, that's true. You know what I mean? Well, they they could have used it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, think about that shit. Hell yeah. Run upon them, fucking, hey, yeah, just shoot that shit away. Yeah, straight to the head or just knock you in ahead and knock you out. Knock out, take out the Achilles and you turn around and you're hitting the floor, and you know. On the on the opposite end of that spectrum, there is uh a species in the Jedi Survivor games, the way the games with Calchestus, called the uh the Gendai. And there's only one, because they're a very rare species of like half cybernetics that are absolutely massive dudes and they look super scary. I'm trying to pull one up here. Oh, yeah. On the flip side, you can have a giant uh species that's a uh a jet it can be a Jedi or a force user. And if we can put it on a the the the shitty size of a tree. Why not? Imagine what their lightsaber would look like. It would be like a telephone pole. Here we go. A hole would be coming out of it. Yeah. This is Ivas from the Fallen Order series. Yeah, this is one of the villains in Calcestus' games. They are like half cybernetic species. That guy's like nine feet tall and like five hundred pounds. Uh, those are actually in the I'm not no no uh no I promise there won't be any spoilers, but those are in the uh That's pretty freaking those are actually in the uh Mandalorian Groga movie. That's really cool. There's a Gendai there? Yeah, they're guarding the the the huts. That's really cool. So these guys are like and this guy this guy fights Calcestus, uh Jedi. You know, like a full-blown actual survivor Jedi and goes to what type of metal sorry, I'm again do you need to give away one with a lightsaber. Uh I don't think there's anything that can actually stop the lightsaber. Yes, there's a metal Mandalorian that one woman had that staff that was made of the best best guard. Roy. Yeah. Yep. It's like a super chrome metal that bounces lightsabers right off of it. Besides like the strongest metal, I think, in the right. Well, I thought that it was just like a deflector kind of shit. I didn't think that it would like actually stop. Like, you know, like they boom. Yeah, it's the only that's the only metal I know that can I think Dura still holds up for a shorter amount of time, but uh it not permanently. Yes. I believe bet Beskar it fully refracts the light of laser guns and lightsabers off of it. Yeah. And that's why every time you see Beskar, it's usually super, super like chromey. Yeah. You guys are super nerds. We love it. We love it. Love it. So now you have the scene when Anakin is talking to Palpentine again. Right. And he reveals that he's the Sith Lord. Right. You know, and it's funny. He's like, I remember in the scene he says something like, Oh, I can strike you down. No, yeah. I know he could see he's like and he starts changing. Yeah. But like the way Palpentine is in that scene, he is enjoying every minute. And he looks almost, I hate to say it, I'm not gonna sound x-ray, but he looks aroused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, Oh, I think that's uh he's like that's kind of the point, no? Yeah, right. That's like kind of the point. It's like kind of the point, you know. He's I feel like at that point the room is probably full of it, right? Yeah. It's probably all in the air around him. He knows that he's infected him. He could probably see it and smell it on him right then and there. So I think he just already knows what's gonna happen at that point. Yeah, super manipulation. And it's interesting too that he still goes and turns him in. Uh and he does, he goes to Mace Window. And and it's funny too, because that's the only time that Mace Window actually starts like trusting in him, too. He goes, he he said, What did he say? He goes, if what you said is true, you have gained my trust. Right. He said it like that, like, oh shit. Like I mean, he meant it. Yeah, and that's a whole shit, bro. He should have backed his ass up. But they tried. Well, he tried, so nobody else believed. He was trying to do it. He was he was trying to do it, and you know, that scene. Now we gotta talk about that scene. That first of all, Lord Sidious, Star Sidious, he that that twirl he does. Now in the books, they describe that as it's supposed to like he you hear him go and he does that like twirl. What the fuck? Supposedly that it's so loud that it actually disorients you, and he uses that and like he takes out Kit Fisto. I forget what the other Jedi is. Which one? Plakoon is there. I thought Plocoon uh dies in Order 66 when he's flying the jet. Yeah, but I believe he's there for the arrest. Yeah, no, he's just there. He means before. So he's there. I'm saying when it was when everyone goes into the room, you're talking about it's Mace Windu, Kit Fisto. I believe Plocoon is also there. I don't no, no, no, it's definitely not Plowkun because he kills everybody except Mace Windu at that point. Okay, then no, you're right. He takes every he but he does it so fast. Right. He kills like three Jedi in like two minutes. Right. And then all that's left is Mace Window. And the only reason that Mace Window can hold up to him is because he uh Vapad Vapod or Vapad. I've heard her pronounce it two different ways, but anyway, he uses Vapad, which is a lightsaber form that reflects dark side energy back on a specifically designed to fight Sith. Right. Right. It's actually a Sith lightsaber form that they somehow turn with anybody. It's I forget what the original one is called,

The Force Debate And Lightsaber Forms

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but Mace Windu made a light version out of it, I think. I don't know if he created it or someone else did. Maybe you do you know, Justin? I can't I can't recall. I know what like you're talking about, but I do not remember who it was. But yeah, it's like it it was originally like a Sith lightsaber form that the Jedi turned light side, but it actually is designed to like fight Sith, like to reflect it back. That's why he's able to do that in that scene when you know he's using the light right now, and he's just reflecting it. It doesn't affect him. That's right. Yeah, I forgot about that. It's also that's it's the it's the it's the exact same technique that Yoda uses to catch it. Yoda also knows it. That's also supposed to be like another sort of like flex scene for Yoda, because he's very clearly shows you one or two art forms that he knows for sure, and then he also has that on top of it. Exactly. Well, Yoda was catching it by his hand. Like you know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I mean. Like that's another technique that is definitely not part of his other form that he just happens to know. Because he's he's been around so long so long. More than one art is what you say. Right. Yes. Yeah. That's like a very common thing that they do for Jedi that are older. Right. Yeah. For what Jedi what? For older Jedi. Anyone that's been a Jedi for a long time, they always like to show you some moment where they very clearly know more than one form. That happens with Obi-Wan and Darth Maul's very, very final fight. Oh, yeah. Where they are standing there looking at each other like they're fencing, and they both just switch forms over and over again in front of each other. Yep. Yeah, that's it. By the way, did you see someone made that with AI and it looks fucking amazing? Yeah. That they redid that scene and it looks like a live action scene. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. My God. Yeah. Even the scene where he's like, he's like, Will you avenge us or whatever? You know, with with uh, you know, mall at the end. But anyway, let me get back on track. No, but so like so so you have that scene right now. Now there's the scene that a lot of people I think don't even realize is happening is when he when Mace Windows reflecting back the lightning and you start seeing Palpatine's face change. Right, two things, two things are happening. He is burning, right, but also he's his his Sith glamour is getting undone. Undone. Because even if that didn't happen, that scene, he would still have like a slightly deformed, not deformed face, he would have like dark around his eyes and the Sith eyes. That the melty face, that's from the fucking lightning. But the rest of him, like all that dark eyes, that is but he uses that to make it look like so he doesn't have to hide himself his form anymore. He uses that to like the Jedi did this to me. Right. Yeah. They do have uh there's that gets explored in a couple of other series, the use of like Sith glamour effect. Yes. I can't remember if it was a High Republic story or an old Republic story where the glamour was so good that he was able to be fully other people. He was able to shapeshift and shit. Wow. That's crazy. Or appearance. It was uh I want to say it was old republic because it was just like a story about a single like Sith Knight that got so good at glamouring that he was made like a covert operative. Well, yeah, I'd believe that. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, old like I said, they need to do that. They need to do a fucking old Republic series. They really do because it's what I was saying before. It's the biggest missed opportunity so far is that they don't have it. It's so like it's more like on par with like medieval lore. Yeah, it's very like high fantasy. Right. Yeah, in like a Lord of the Rings Game of Thrones sort of fashion. Even the characters, even the Sith characters, like what's his name? The one that that has the um he's got the Darth Bain? Yeah, uh not Darth Bain. Um I forget what his name is, but he's got like a mask over his face. And then there's another one who had his jaw ripped off and he's gonna be like, who was Darthmalgus, I believe. Darthmagus is the one who has the Cool mouth. He looked kind of like Vader if he wasn't wearing a helmet and just a breathalyzer. Yep, yep, yep. Wow, that's crazy. Breathalizer. Malgus is yeah, he's crazy looking. Hold on. How much have you been drinking? He meant to say breathing apparatus. How much you been drinking, Vader? I have no time to drink. Yeah, that's fucking great. I just had one. Here we go. There's a shot of Darth Malgus for you. Look at that. That's crazy shit. Yeah. And he also had this cool, his hilt had serrated like not serrated, but sharp-edged blades on it. So that if he got close enough to you, he could just jam them into you. And wasn't there another one who actually did have his like jaw ripped off by a lightsaber? And he had and then I love the old Republicans. Right? Was it his master who ripped off his jacket? I do believe so. Yeah. Well, see, so it's not a is not a missed opportunity. It's a weighted opportunity. My biggest miss for the older public stuff, lightsaber spears. I'm just gonna have to you know what? Oh, yeah. Saber spears are like the biggest miss. Like, why does no one else have a saber spear? Saber spear. You want to see this? Yeah, look at this, Kenny. It's a it's half half lightsaber, half spear. Spear, lightsaber. Yeah, they they technically call them lightsaber pikes. Wait a minute. Don't they have that in the um that's in one of the movies that they have those? You're thinking uh Darth Maul with the double edge, but that's No no no no. These guys were fighting. They had a spear on one end and they had the lightsaber. Yeah, I mean in Clone Wars, there's the Noble Guard has the same style as uh Darth Deck. Yeah. No, w what's his name? Oh my god, Han Solo and uh Leia's son. Fucking a Kylo Ren? Kylo Wren. When he was when he was coming around and they were three minutes to leave. He had these guys. He had these guys. The his his Knights of Wren, they didn't have lightsabers. They had, I think theirs were Vibro, right? I don't know. I don't know. Were they Vibro weapons? In my timeline, in my Mandela Arena. Hold on, let me look at the Knights of Ren. Mandela effect. My my Mandela effect me. Mandela effect. Mandela effect. Yeah, so the Knights of Wren, he's the only one that has a lightsaber. All of the other Knights of Wren have very specific, I believe, Vibro weapons. Okay. But yeah, like I'm saying, they're sitting on a gold mine and they could they they could do it. They could so do it. They could so do it. You know what? It would they could do a whole like they could do like nine movies. They could do like nine movies. Now it's three trilogies on the old republic. Yeah. With dark mouths and all now. It would be it would be like kind of like Star Wars meets Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Definitely. No, it is. It really is that. Because now they we haven't heard any of the things. I was gonna say, yeah, it really it's it would be Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones Star Wars. Yeah. Like if that is what Old Republic is. Yeah. Well they haven't come up with anything yet, like anything past uh uh the rise of the of Skywalker, right? They haven't had any No, no. They won't they probably aren't gonna touch on even further into the future for a long time. Right. So then for that, with that, they can just turn around and you know what I mean, and go to the old republic and they have so much established beforehand that they still need to touch on and like make more media for that I don't know that we'll see more like sequel type content for a while. Yeah. Because there's nothing there's nothing. I know they're doing the Starfighter movie. Yeah. But like I I don't know if is that sp I don't know if that's gonna take place after uh the last I'm not sure that it's been announced or not, or or I just can't remember. Yeah, well for whatever reason right now, bro, they're holding back all of these uh I don't know if it's Disney or Lucasfilms or whoever needs to write these fucking times. But then they need to turn around and like, you know, they they need to just start putting these movies out because it's not like they're not making money. You know what I mean? Everybody goes to see these things, everybody's got watching them on on the streaming channels, well, on Disney Plus. So it's like release these fucking things, bro. Like stop holding them back. And then the sorry, the other the biggest problem with it

Sidious Revealed And Windu’s Stand

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too is just like that Disney, since acquiring Star Wars, is very wary of their use of it. So when stuff gets mixed reviews, they're like they're very touch and go on if they want to keep doing Star Wars stuff. But it's like they own the whole title now, so they will continue to do something with it. It's just how much are they going to invest into it? But even if they didn't animation, you know what I mean? There's so many people that do watch the Star Wars stories, yeah, you know what I mean, that the animations are like we already know we have to watch those animations. Yeah. We know that those are going to be the fillers and stuff. I know it's kind of crazy to say, but I actually think that Star Wars is best portrayed in animation. You can't truly mimic the abilities of a Jedi or a Sith as easily in live action. It just doesn't come across the same way. They're supposed to be like throwing ships and jumping over buildings, basically. Uh it's just really hard for them to portray that. It takes it takes a very large budget to do Jedi and Sith right. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I'm with you. And they do the animation like the same way they did Bad Batch. Right. Yeah. I think that they have that that style is on lock. I they probably have it like copywritten. Yeah. But they should continue to use it. So yeah. So next in the scene. So next, I'm just gonna I'm steering the ship again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, go back, go back. Order 66 is the next thing that happens, right? Right. Because, you know, uh he's well, first he sends in, yeah, he's execute our order 66 is the very next thing that happens. So, you know, he does that, and then you start seeing the scene where they're just it's the clones just literally, they just yeah, they literally turned around. Yeah, and they were walking forward and then just started walking turned around and it's a sad scene, and you see like how they all just get taken out systematically. Yeah. Yeah. So um, you know, the the the music in the scene, you know, the m whole the whole montage is just like really sad. Yeah. You know? I think there's an interesting difference that you see in the movies. In the movies, it is truly like they get the call and they're like, Yup, turn around, bam. Like it's immediate. Yeah. What I like in the Clone Wars is seeing that it actually like it takes a second. I wish that that was sort of in the movies. I wish they looked slightly concussed for a moment or something, just to make it very clear what was happening, instead of just like getting a call and blaming your lieutenant. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that that's true. They they should have made it look like they were going through like some kind of weird thing. But then at the same time, way that they the way that the story tells it is it was hard programming. So it is kind of okay if they just turn around sure. That's right. But the clone wars, yeah, like that was so good. Like this with Rex crying as he's like resisting the order. Yeah. Struggling very hard with it, too. Ahsoka escaping. Also, I know I know we're I don't want to go off to Rails too much, but like that whole scene, you know, they they painted all their masks to look like Ahsoka's like her like her markings on her face. Because like, you know, they all have different markings for that species. And like they made it look like her markings, and then all of a sudden they just like turned on her. Yeah. You know, that that's and the and the thing that makes that one so good, just that whole episode, is that she's stuck on a star cruiser. Right. Yeah. In space with an army of a star cruiser full of clones. Yeah, yeah. That's insane. How does she do? She I don't remember that. She got out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She makes it out. You should I I don't want to spoil it because you should absolutely watch that final season at the very least. But um miraculously, by the grace of God, makes it out. Yeah, she used the force, bro. Use the force the Schwarz. So anyway, so that whole Order 66 happens is just horrible. And now you have the most famous scene in the entire movie. And I would even argue that that's the scene that adds the most continuity to or most value to the original trilogy is the scene now when you know he's on Mustafar and you know Padme comes out and she tries she tries talking to him and he's just well far gone. Yeah, you know, all of a sudden Obi-Wan comes and that whole scene happens. You betrayed me. Yeah. It's the first time to Empire. Your Empire. There you go. It's the first time that you truly like most of the interactions in both the Clone Wars and the movies between Obi-Wan and Anakin are that of like brothers. Right. That's the first and really only time where he shows up as his father. Right. Like, and he's pissed. You know, he's so the most bad he could possibly be at him. Right. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I think he he he he should have played that a little bit smarter though. Because it may be. I think it's part of the reason that the clash happens is that he, for the first time in his life, is approaching Anakin as a father figure, which is something he's literally never had. And I think that that the volatility of that, like the grifting between them is what makes them fight. But like the whole way he came out after Padme, and it looked like Padme like like was in on it. You know what I mean? Like it he like he should have just came out to begin with. Right. But like fucking, he should just jump ahead of Padme. It wouldn't have mattered. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, but he did it, it really made it look like she told on him. Yeah. Like I went and got dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. No, he should have just jumped ahead of her, like, like, or or like as she's landing, he should have just been like, hey, I'm here, stay in here. I got this. Right. You know what I mean? But instead, you know. Yeah. It was something I should have. Definitely a choice. Yeah. Yeah. No. Also, just to just to backtrack real quick, when we were talking about Order 66, I would have pissed my pants if I was the clone standing next to Yoda. Yeah. That guy got done so dirty, so fast. So fast. Right. So I'm gonna talk about that. Imagine you get on your little holofit. Hey, you gotta kill the master Yoda. Yeah. No problem. This is gonna go swimmingly. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Again, there was a few of them that, you know, that they put up that fight. They're like, yo, what the hell is going on? But the Jedi, see, and I think that now I'm you know a sidebar for me in my own head. They got caught. They're too fucking nice, bro. Yeah. They're too nice. It's not that the problem because the Jedi. You know what I mean? Like, I understand, you know, you have there's still that that level of peace. You're on the light side, and you know, you don't kill just like that, you know, but bro, like, they're they turned around and they're fucking shooting at your ass. Like, you need to defend yourself, yourselves. You know what I mean? And I think a lot of them got killed way too quickly for being Master Jedi. I know that those those scenes in the movie are incredibly, incredibly brief. Right. But like you can see that even in those brief, brief scenes, that everyone looks super confused. Right. Yeah, I know, I get it. I get it, I hear you, I understand. I just, it's just me, you know, I don't know, I guess it's a good thing. Oh, it's a tough watch. It's a tough watch to watch everyone just kind of get like gunned down fairly easily. Yeah, no. I I hear you, bro. I get you, Justin. I know what you're saying. I just I'm just like, yeah, no, bro. I just I just feel like they need to be on their toes all the

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time. Or should have been. It should have been. All the time. You know what I mean? And I think that's what's just known exactly how to do it. Also, that that's the huge impact for Clone Wars enjoyers. You watch a bunch of people die there. Right. Like Pracoon ha is in so many episodes in Clone Wars and is like one of my favorite Jedi's. He gets gunned down while he's flying. Who also and again, that's so on the nose because he's part of the fighter pilot special forces guys. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh man. I love that. I I mean, listen, I I I enjoyed the movie so much, and and you know, for me, Starwood, like I just is like, I feel like I'm but I'm there. You know what I mean? I'm like, block it, do this, stop that. Don't listen to him. So now you know, I stand in front of my TV, my hands on my fucking head. I'm like, no, you know, that's so insane. So then you have that scene when they fight and everything. And a lot of people kind of don't like that fight scene because it looks like they're just like dancing. But the people people don't understand about that scene is that they can't hit each other. It's they're missing each time and they're dodging as they're missing. And that was probably one of the best choreographed lightsaber scenes I've ever seen. Yeah. It's done so well, and the way it ends is just so good. You know, don't do it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, higher ground scene, you know. Don't do it. It's over, Anakin. I got the higher ground. Yes, yes. Don't do it. Don't try. Yeah. You know, he goes, You underestimate my power. Don't try. Yeah, it had nothing to do with the power, bro. You underestimate my power. Yeah. It had nothing to do with the power, bro. It was about the skill right now. You know what I mean? I'm a better swordsman. And, and, and that particular move that he does, he that was the move that um that Darth Maul did. That was the move that Darth Maul did to kill Qui-Gon. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The move that Obi-No no Obi-Wan did to kill to well, not really kill, to to slice Darth Maul in half. And he studied that move and he wanted to do the move, and that's why Obi-Wan says to don't try it. He knows exactly what he's gonna do with that move. Because apparently, uh the lord is that Anakin was like obsessed with that particular how Obi-Wan had took out Darth Maul. He was so obsessed with that, and he studied it over and over and over. And when he saw, he he Obi-Wan knew, and maybe through the force, he just knew that he was gonna do that exact move, and he told him, Don't try it. Yeah, and he he said, Don't try it. I know what you're gonna do. And he's like, I already know how to prepare myself for this. Oh, there goes your arms and legs. Yeah, it's over. Yeah. Yeah, and that's when his eyes start to turn to yellow. Yeah. That's right when it happens to him. That's when it, that's when he he, I think he takes so much damage that he himself is probably in almost in a way, probably almost losing his own glamour. Right. Yeah, you're right. You're right, you're right, you're right. But wait, would it be the glamour yet? Because he still hadn't turned all the way to the biggest. So here's the thing. At that point, right, he leaves that temple with Sith eyes. Yeah. Throw it on himself. But then the whole time on Mustafar, he looks normal. Right. Yeah, that's true. That is true. Yeah, so he had already come over. Right. He was already on the dark side. My brother, again, I loved you. I loved you. Yeah. And you know what? That scene though, that's probably one of the most heartbreaking scenes. I will tell you, last year, Chase and I went to go see it in the movie theater. People were crying. The guy next to me was crying. I was tearing up the lie. Absolutely. You know, that's the slight save ever scene. Yeah, man. Yeah. You know, and you know, you get and and um you know, yet the next scene is uh is is this, you know, uh is is kind of like the wrap-up with the movie. And that's where um Padme's given birth. Right. And they showed those scenes happen simultaneously. As Padme is given birth, they're showing the scene as Vader coming up in the in their first they're showing the machine putting everything in. No, wasn't it when they were showing no, wasn't it when she when they were saying that she's going into labor, they were showing Vader being picked up and taken into the ship. Oh, was that? Yeah. Well, what was the scene when he was coming up then? That was after the kid that they're very end. That's the very end. Okay, sorry. So okay, so he was getting picked up at the same time. Yeah, so yeah, she started saying she's going into labor, that the robot says she's going into the into labor. Then that's when they're picking up Vader. He's going in. Now, when they're starting to work on him, go ahead. We need to talk about what you sent me. Go ahead. What we talked. So there's a theory that someone plaws that is a really good theory. You sent it to me. And that is now remember how they're like, we're just losing her. You know, like she's has she's lost, it looks like she's lost the will to live. Yeah. So there's a theory that that was actually Darth Sidious killing her, like force because don't forget, fucking Darth Vader was able to force choke people who weren't even in the same room as him. Yeah, but he didn't realize that babies were born. So that's the thing. He just you know what I mean? He just knew to

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use the force to kill her because he could feel her specifically. Right. Because nobody knew that she was pregnant. Yeah. So that then, you know, so taking the kids and hiding the kids. So maybe he wouldn't have mad at the kids. He could only feel her because he was trying to there's even an argument that maybe he would not normally be that strong, like strong enough to do that from a different planet. But at this point in time, the dark side is coursing through the universe. Yes. That's true. You know? Because uh because Order 66 and all that, and and the Empire just like that. But the kids, but Luke and Leia, they weren't born on a planet. No, but what what Justin's saying is that the reason why Palbatine's has so much he that he could probably kill her through the force is because there's so much dark side energy running through the gap. He wasn't in the same places though as were either. Yeah, no. He wasn't there at all. Yeah, trying to say, 'cause they got powerful shit. They were in light speed, like trying to get to whatever. So that is a theory. Yeah. There's all back to just back to the um the the moment in which he tells him not to try it is uh is a really fun one for me because there's um there's a lot of like martial arts analysis for for the Clone Wars and obviously the the trilogy episodes. Umbi Wan does a lot of historic European martial arts type fencing, which is a lot of telling your opponent ahead of time and knowing what they're gonna do ahead of time. And I think that that's like that's a very interesting thing that is embedded in his character. The same way that like Count Dooku is embedded in traditional fencing, with that special lightsaber that's right here held it's it's turned like a fencing sword. And also you see it in the way that he in the way that he fights. He he starts every single fight like a like a fencer does with the Yeah. I didn't even think about it, so you just said that. Oh yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. Because of their so now here's the other thing when they show the uh you know, like w when uh Qui Gon was fighting and you know, when they would all use their swords or whatever, they just to how the whole Jedi looked, yeah. They were they all had super skills. You know what I mean? Like they really, like they were they were like samurai. Yeah, no, I mean space samurai. That's that is pretty much the annotated version, right? And then you see how they lost it, you know what I mean, as the episodes went on, yeah, that they weren't fighting the same way after Order 66. I mean, I get it, I understand, you know, there's nobody there to train whatever. Yeah, and it's just they weren't well I'm just saying, like just that you know, because there was no more masters and Padawans, you know what I mean? That you just see how they lost it. The other thing is, no, right, not no one was ready for it. But there is, if if you go and find it in the extended universe stuff, there is several stories of people who were at least able to make it out. Right. You know, like Calchestus's exception was he was a Padawan when it happened, and they were on a Star Cruiser like Ahsoka was, except his master sacrificed his own life getting Calcestis off that ship. Right. And that's the only reason that he got to live. He was he happened to be one of the few Padawans at the time that was actually going out with the Jedi Knights to fight in the Galactic War. So crazy, bro. Yeah, so fucking crazy. That's why, and that's why I say him and Ahsoka, very similar sort of stories where they're like Padawans that were Padawans at the worst time possible. Right. Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I think it's a very missed opportunity not having Calchestas be in anything yet. Yeah, yeah, right, right. They really need to do start doing stuff with some of these characters. Because it could just it could be shorts, the same way they did doing visions, the same way they did legends, you know what I mean? Right. Or like bring it back as animation style. Right, right. If we can't get the two actors to be in the same place at the same time. Right. Yeah. I would too. I'm with you, bro. I'm with you all day. Oh, looking at that. I love that. So yeah, the last scene is, you know, like we mentioned the very end when he's coming up and they they kind of do No with him coming up like Frankenstein. Oh, yeah. It really did they did kind of go with the Frankenstein vibes. They did definitely did that on purpose. I even knew they pulled that shit. Right. And the way uh Albertine just smiles, like he's like in your anger, it seems like the hoodie. In your anger, it seems you killed her. Yeah. Oh, it fucking breaks everything. Crushing shit, ripping the fucking table apart that he's on. Bro, super Frankenstein. Yeah, big time. Even do like the sparks and everything when he crushes everything. Yeah. Like getting crushed. They were very small. He also he literally does the same like reaching to the sky at nothing and sparks afterwards. Uh-huh. Because then he couldn't feel her anymore. Yeah. Because I don't think at that moment she had passed. I don't think she was dead yet. I think she was dying. Right, she was dying and he couldn't feel her. Yeah. So that then it was easy, you know, to tell him, yo, she's dead, bro. Yeah, yeah. It's a rap. You know what I mean? And that's what, yeah, that shit was so insane. So he tried to kill her though. Well, but he did it he did it uh having the moment. Oh, yeah. Because no, I'm not justifying it. It's not like we're talking about abuser. Oh, you know, he's just you know, he gets angry sometimes. You know, you know, fuck. I had to pull back, I was gonna do a joke. But you know, it but it it was, you know, it It wasn't it wasn't about him because he thought that he was going to be able to protect her and keep her. So then when she didn't when for him it felt like she wasn't listening to him. And that was also a pet peeve of the thing. Well, he felt well because he felt that people weren't listening to him and they didn't let him have a voice. So if you don't let me speak, you're not listening to what I'm saying to you, you're not hearing me in any way, shape, or form. And here it is, I trusted you as the you know the love of my life, and you bring him, you bring

Padmé’s Death Theory And Why It Endures

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him you know what I mean? And he does that's that's me about like a lot of the choices that he makes are seemingly very human for the moment he makes them in. Right, right, right. Because he has that kind of power. Yeah. Yes. So yeah, so you know, that's uh so that's our discussion of Clone Wars. I'd like to get into a real quick end discussion, you know. I think the movie has aged well. You know, people appreciate the prequels more now than I think they did when they were out. They weren't perceived well. We we did talk about that. You know, meme helped bring it back a little bit. There's so many memes, you know, do it, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, or hello there, you know. Yeah, uh the clone wars definitely elevated them massively. Right. Master. And the whole Hayden Christensen redemption art. Yeah, yeah. You know, he loves him. He's beloved now. People love him. Yeah. You know, I worked out good for him so much when it was happening, you know. So that happens to a lot of people who are famous, not to change the subject, but they don't come out so lucky. Right. You know, like he weathered the storm and then it came out at the end, you know what I mean? Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, it's more common than it should be. Yeah, hell yeah. Hell yeah. Fucking insane. Yeah. Good stuff, man. Yeah. So, you know, just uh the final one thing to say is that, you know, this isn't just the end of the prequels, it's the emotional center of the entire Star Wars saga. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that tear jerker, this isn't like, you know, what's next? You know, what's gonna be, oh my God, how's it gonna, you know, well then later, you know, the babies get separated, right? They go to a different you know. It does it does a lot of what the movie has to do in that last like ten minutes. Yep, exactly. Fucking love this shit. Yeah. So this was an awesome episode. I uh this is the longest episode we have ever done. How are we up to what's the what's the episode? We're almost almost at two hours. Wow. Yeah. Almost two hours. This is a record breaker for us. Yeah, thanks, Justin, for being here. So this uh episode we apologize. You're welcome, and also I'm sorry for it being two hours. Two episodes. So uh we will be breaking this up. Well, you if you're listening now, you're here in the second part of the episode. Yeah, we'll put this in the middle somewhere. Yeah, yeah, for Stizzle, my nizzle. So with that, thank you everybody for listening, watching, beat, like, follow, subscribe, all that other good shit. Go wherever you find your podcast. Anywhere you find, listen to podcasts, we're on the YouTube, all that good stuff. So love, peace, and hair grease. Live long and prosper, and use the dark side.